Marcus and Esme have a remarkably frank discussion about the impact depression has had on their relationship. They discuss their respective experiences with chronic depression, and how each has attempted to help the other through these depressive episodes. But first, Marcus shows Esme a video of an iconic musical performance, which he believes to be “a cultural artifact of tremendous sociological import.” In reality, he just demonstrates the various twists and turns his ADHD brain takes while going down a rabbit hole.

Trigger warning: This episode contains discussions about depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation. Listener discretion is advised.

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Sources for this episode include:

• Goodman RJ, Samek DR, Wilson S, Iacono WG, McGue M. “Close relationships and depression: A developmental cascade approach.” Dev Psychopathol. 2019 Oct;31(4):1451-1465. doi: 10.1017/S0954579418001037. PMID: 30370876; PMCID: PMC6488448. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6488448/#R61

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