“Marriage is hard.” We hear this all the time. But what if a better way to say it is: marriage requires hard work.

In this episode of Eternal Echoes, host Katharine Rose sits down with marriage coaches and authors Valerie and Marcellus Bonner, who offer a refreshing, biblical perspective rooted in more than four decades of faithfully walking through life together.

Drawing from both personal experience and biblical wisdom, the Bonners share the foundational principles that have sustained their marriage through seasons of joy, grief, growth, and challenge—including the heartbreaking loss of a child early in their marriage.

Together, they discuss the importance of unity, love and respect, emotional and spiritual intimacy, intentional communication, and remaining faithful to the covenant God designed.

Whether you're newly married, have been married for decades, or simply want a deeper understanding of God's vision for marriage, this conversation offers practical encouragement and timeless truth.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

-The seven key principles behind a lasting marriage

-God's blueprint and design for marriage

-How couples can grow spiritually together, not just individually

-Why intentionality is essential for staying connected

-Practical steps for couples who feel disconnected or distant

-The role of love, respect, submission, and mutual affirmation in marriage

Connect with Valerie and Marcellus:

Website: https://www.marriageinvestors.net/

“Forever Together” book: https://a.co/d/09FxwX1j

“Forever Together” workbook: https://a.co/d/0983ivZG

“Abiding in Marriage” studyguide: https://a.co/d/0037vmV3

“Abiding in Marriage” digital course: https://www.marriageinvestors.net/abiding-in-marriage-3f3ce018-cbde-4ceb-89c6-9a1eba8c0d86

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MarriageInvestors

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/marriageinvestors

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marriageinvestors

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Email: ⁠⁠Katharine@eternalechoesministry.com⁠⁠ for speaking events or interviews

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Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPgPnIVata4&feature=youtu.be

What if one of the greatest spiritual influences in a child's life isn't a pastor or teacher, but a grandparent?

In this episode of Eternal Echoes, host Katharine Rose sits down with author, speaker, and family educator Lori Wildenberg to discuss the vital role grandparents play in God's design for the family.

Drawing from Scripture, personal experience, and insights from her book Grandparents Make Grand Partners, Lori challenges the cultural emphasis on independence and invites listeners to embrace the biblical vision of interdependence between generations.

Together, they explore how grandparents can pass on their faith with wisdom and humility, navigate healthy boundaries with adult children, and remain faithful even in difficult situations such as family estrangement.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

-Why grandparents are one of the most influential voices in a child's faith journey

-The difference between raising independent children and cultivating interdependent families

-Practical ways to pass faith on to the next generation

-How to navigate boundaries while maintaining meaningful family relationships

-Encouragement for grandparents facing estrangement or difficult family dynamics

-Why humility, prayer, and intentional connection matter more than ever

Whether you're a grandparent, parent, or simply someone who cares about leaving a lasting spiritual legacy, this conversation offers practical encouragement and timeless biblical wisdom for impacting future generations.

Connect with Lori Wildenberg:

Website: https://loriwildenberg.com/

Grandparents make Grand Partners book: https://a.co/d/00cR3JU4

All books: https://loriwildenberg.com/books/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/Loriwildenberg

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LoriWildenbergauthor

Follow Katharine and Eternal Echoes:

Facebook and Instagram: @EternalEchoesMinistry

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@eternal.echoes.mi/

Substack: http://katharinerrose.substack.com

Website: www.eternalechoesministry.com

Email: ⁠⁠Katharine@eternalechoesministry.com⁠⁠ for speaking events or interviews

Sow a seed: https://donorbox.org/eternal-echoes-giving

Watch this episode on YouTube: youtube.com/watch?v=ahugcY57YIA&feature=youtu.be

What do you do when life turns out nothing like you imagined?

In this conversation on the Eternal Echoes podcast, host Katharine Rose sits down with Judith Sabbert, who shares her story of walking through divorce, a seven-year battle with breast cancer, the devastating loss of her son, and countless unexpected turns she never saw coming.

Yet through every heartbreak, Judith discovered something powerful: God was still writing her story. Rather than allowing suffering to define her, Judith learned how to “re-script” her life—embracing faith, surrender, gratitude, and the unexpected ways God reveals His presence in our darkest moments.

From powerful stories of “Godwinks” and signs of comfort after unimaginable grief to wisdom on forgiveness, surrender, and learning to move forward when life falls apart, Judith offers hard-earned truths that will encourage anyone navigating disappointment, loss, or uncertainty.

Together, we discuss:

-Recognizing “Godwinks” and signs of God’s presence

-The role of community during suffering

-Why surrender became a turning point in healing

-Learning the power of forgiveness

-How gratitude can sustain us in difficult seasons

-What it means to “believe and you will see”

If you've ever found yourself grieving the life you thought you'd have, this conversation is for you.

Connect with Judith Sabbert:

Website: https://www.judithsabbert.com/

Daring to Dance Again book: https://a.co/d/018EL12n

Follow Katharine and Eternal Echoes:

Facebook and Instagram: @EternalEchoesMinistry

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@eternal.echoes.mi/

Substack: http://katharinerrose.substack.com

Website: www.eternalechoesministry.com

Email: ⁠⁠Katharine@eternalechoesministry.com⁠⁠ for speaking events or interviews

Sow a seed: https://donorbox.org/eternal-echoes-giving

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr-SRIRbcmw