Matt McLean, the all-time highest point scorer in the National leagues of rugby, joins the podcast. He shares his rugby journey, starting from playing in Wales at a young age and progressing through school and university rugby. Matt highlights the importance of school rugby in Wales and the opportunities it provided, including touring Australia and playing in the World Schools Festival in Dubai. He also discusses the potential of the university system as a talent pool for clubs and suggests exploring alternative development pathways in rugby. Matt talks about his time in Worthing and his rugby career, including his experience with the Welsh Sevens team. He discusses how he ended up in Worthing and his initial reluctance to move there. He also talks about the family-oriented atmosphere of the rugby club and how he enjoyed playing for them. Matt reflects on his standout seasons and how he found success playing at the fly-half position. He also discusses the challenges and trade-offs of pursuing a higher level of rugby and the impact of injuries on his career. Matt reflects on his rugby career, discussing his achievements and the challenges he faced. He talks about his pride in representing England in the Rugby Sevens team and the difficulties of balancing training and work commitments. Matt also shares his transition from player to coach, highlighting the satisfaction he finds in developing players and seeing the team come together. He mentions some talented players he played with, including those who went on to achieve international success, and discusses the potential of players who didn't quite make it due to off-field discipline.

Michelle Holdsworth, captain of the England Deaf Rugby Union (EDIU), discusses the challenges faced by deaf rugby players and the need for financial support. She highlights the efforts of the team manager, Gloria, in securing sponsorship and funding for tours. Michelle also talks about the upcoming tour to South Africa and the fundraising efforts required to make it happen. She shares her personal rugby journey, including how she became deaf due to an injury on the field. Michelle emphasizes the importance of rugby as a supportive and inclusive community. The England Deaf Rugby Union (EDRU) team plays normal league games, ranging from low-level rugby to high-standard championship rugby. They train at Bromsgrove, with players travelling from all over the country, self-funded, to participate. The team uses sign language during training and games to communicate and has developed their own set of signs for different plays and strategies. The EDRU is trying to raise £10,000 to support their upcoming tour to South Africa. They have individual GoFundMe pages, and the EDRU has a presence on social media to raise awareness and encourage support.

Ed Birch, a rugby player from the Nags Charity Barbarians, shares his journey and the charity's fundraising events. The Nags Charity Barbarians is a grassroots level club that raises money for cancer research UK. They organize biannual fixtures against other clubs and also participate in crazy challenges to raise funds. Their first challenge was pulling a canal boat from Birmingham to Worcester. They have also done a canoeing challenge on the River Severn and climbed Mount Snowdon multiple times. They have raised over £210,000 so far and aim to reach a quarter of a million pounds. The conversation covers various topics related to rugby, including the development of young athletes, the need for specialized training, player safety, and the grassroots level of the sport. The hosts discuss the challenges of nurturing talent and the importance of proper coaching and player welfare. They also touch on the role of rugby clubs in bringing communities together and the potential for future charity events. Overall, the conversation highlights the passion and camaraderie that exists within the rugby community.