Joe Sanok joins Hannah and Jane on the podcast for an honest and vulnerable conversation about his experience with divorce. He opens up about navigating the emotional and practical challenges of the process, and how he coped with the aftermath of his life not turning out the way he expected—even after doing everything "right."

We talk about how our unique perspectives not only shape our realities, but can also help us get through the most painful moments of our human experience. We connect Joe's personal experience to the bigger systemic questions around personal growth, uncomfortable change, happiness and contentment, and how to tolerate our deepest struggles.

We also talk about:

-The way that marketing + fixing pain is ingrained in our cultural narrative

-Using external tools to come back to ourselves

-Joe's expert insights into what is broken in mental health care at the systemic and individual level

-Relationships and how to manage discomfort and messiness in our friendships and romantic relationships

-Psychedelics and how they can be a helpful tool for reflection and deeper insight

Connect with Joe + Joe's Resources -

Joe's consulting agency: Practice of the Practice

Joe's podcast: Practice of the Practice Podcast

Joe's book: Thursday is the New Friday

Spiral Dynamics resources

How to Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan

Learn more about the podcasts and hosts Hannah + Jane:

arewehappyyetpodcast.com

grittherapy.com

alchemytherapyandwellness.com