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The Empire Builders Podcast

The Empire Builders Podcast

著者： Stephen Semple and David Young
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  • #268: Chanel – From Orphan to Empire

    #268: Chanel – From Orphan to Empire
    2026/08/05
    To say that Coco Chanel was influential in fashion would be a huge understatement. Ever heard of the little black dress? Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom-and-pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I’m Stephen’s sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today’s episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it’s us, but we’re highlighting ads we’ve written and produced for our clients. So here’s one of those. [Oliva Gibbs Law Ad] Dave Young: Welcome back to the Empire Builders Podcast. And Dave Young here, Steve Semple over there. That doesn’t mean anything if you’re just listening to this in your car. I don’t know which one of us is here and which one of us is over there. But Stephen told me as the countdown started, he said, “Hey, I got another fashion topic for us.” And I’m like, “Shh, quiet. Let me guess. Let me guess because knowing me, maybe it’s something I know this time.” Right? Right. So I’m thinking Columbia fishing shirts. Stephen Semple: I think your other guess was Carhartt. Dave Young: Carhartt? Pants from Walmart or Sam’s Club. Probably not those, knowing you and your European travels and your fine taste. Stephen Semple: I think you’ve heard of this one though. I think you’ve heard of Chanel. Dave Young: Oh, Coco Chanel. Stephen Semple: Yes. Dave Young: She was in tight with the Germans, wasn’t she? Sort of accused of that? There’s intrigue. There’s movies. Stephen Semple: Oh yeah. Dave Young: There’s a whole miniseries and things. Stephen Semple: There’s a whole bunch of stuff about Coco Chanel, but she did a lot of innovation in fashion man. And I’m going to say this is one, given some of the background things that happened, I struggled a little bit with sort of creating the through line here because I didn’t want all of that stuff to overshadow some of the amazing things that she actually did in the fashion world that was unbelievably innovative. Dave Young: Cool. Stephen Semple: And today, Chanel remains one of the largest, most profitable luxury companies in the world. They are privately owned by a German family, the Wertheimer family. And so therefore, it doesn’t receive the same attention because it’s not publicly traded, but they do publish annual financials. And so 2025 revenue was 19.3 billion US, profit of 4.7 billion, 38,000 employees operating in a hundred countries. And to put that in perspective, that makes them the same size as Hermes, makes them bigger than Ferrari, 50% larger than Rolex. Really about the only one that’s larger is LVMH, but LVMH is like 75 luxury brands. So it’s a big deal. Really, really big deal. One of the other things I found interesting is they own dozens of these specialist artistry that do embroidery and feathers and- Dave Young: Really? Stephen Semple: … and do other luxury components. And they pretty routinely invest about a billion dollars annually in capital investment. Dave Young: Wow. Stephen Semple: They’re an interesting company, especially when you consider it all started with one tiny shop that sold hats in 1910. Dave Young: Hats? 1910? Stephen Semple: Just hats, yeah. Coco was born Gabriela Chanel. The name Coco was actually a nickname that came later when she was doing singing in Samoa, France in 1883. So in 1885, her mother dies. She’s 12 years old. She goes to an orphanage where she learns how to sew. Now in 1903, she’s working as a clerk in a seamstress in a shop in Milan that sells lingerie and linens and hosieries and things along that lines. And she’s also singing in cafes, which is where she gets the nickname Coco. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: Now it’s here that she meets Etienne Balsan, who’s an aristocrat, and Coco becomes his mistress and lives with him. And one of his passion is breeding horses. So she gets into the whole horse set thing. And there’s these early pictures that show her kind of really dressed very tomboyish for the time, really dressed for the outdoors. And she starts making hats and she wants to open a store selling hats. Now he feels this is kind of a bit of a passing fancy. So he lends her some money ...
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    21 分
  • #267: Swiss Miss – Bye Bye Milkman

    #267: Swiss Miss – Bye Bye Milkman
    2026/07/29
    The Sanna family of Chicago saw the end of the milkman and needed adapt their dairy business for the future. Hello Swiss Miss. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not so secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I’m Stephen’s sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today’s episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it’s us, but we’re highlighting ads we’ve written and produced for our clients. So here’s one of those. [Seaside Plumbing Ad] Dave Young: Welcome back to the Empire Builders Podcast. I’m Dave Young and Stephen Semple sitting here. And he just told me what the topic is. And it took me back to, gosh, it took me back to my young teens sitting in a ski lodge drinking some hot chocolate. Stephen Semple: There you go. That’s a good one. Dave Young: This was the innovation in hot chocolate, and we’re going to talk about Swiss Miss. Stephen Semple: Yes. Dave Young: All right. And I’m trying to think of when that would’ve come out. Probably, I’m guessing the ’60s, ’70s? Stephen Semple: Yeah, it was ’60s. Dave Young: And it wasn’t long before my mom had a recipe for it would make a giant tub of it. It wasn’t Swiss Miss obviously, but it was like it’s powdered milk and cocoa and whatever else. I would just eat it by the spoonful dry. Stephen Semple: Wow. Really? Okay. There you go. Dave Young: Sure. I was doing those kinds of YouTube challenges before YouTube was around all by myself in my mom’s kitchen. Stephen Semple: Well, Swiss Miss was actually launched in 1961. 1961. It was created by the Sanna family, as you’ll learn in this. And it’s a bit of an interesting story. It’s almost like a seven-act play in terms of- Dave Young: The Sanna Family? Stephen Semple: Sanna family. S-A-N-N-A, Sanna. Dave Young: Sanna. Okay. Stephen Semple: Yeah. And it said it’s a bit of an interesting journey. It’s almost like a seven-act play in terms of the stuff that happened. Dave Young: And I don’t know where this is going. I’m going to throw a weird guess out. Stephen Semple: Okay. Dave Young: One of the things that my mom put in her hot cocoa recipe was a powdered milk. And we used to drink this, a powdered milk called Sanalac. Stephen Semple: You’re right on the money, Dave. Dave Young: Is that right? Okay. Stephen Semple: Yep. Once again, ding, ding, ding. Dave nails it. Dave Young: All right, continue. Stephen Semple: Okay. Well, we’re done. We’re done now. Dave Young: For some reason, I saw it with one N, but yeah, it was weird. There was a period of a couple years where she didn’t buy milk at the store. She bought powdered milk and we had these jugs that had these plungers that stirred it up and we had powdered milk. It was almost like war rations in the ’70s or something. I don’t know why we did it. Stephen Semple: So this is a big part of the story. Now, Swiss Miss was started in ’61. It was sold in 1967 to Beatrice Foods. Now, the price wasn’t disclosed, but it’s estimated it was somewhere in the $10, $12 million range, which is not bad for 1967. Today, they’re owned by Conagra, and it’s estimated that they sell 50 million boxes a year of Swiss Miss hot chocolate, which is pretty- Dave Young: That’s a lot of hot chocolate. Stephen Semple: That’s a lot of hot chocolate. Our story starts with Anthony Sanna, who’s an Italian immigrant in Chicago, who starts Sanna Dairies, which is a milk distribution company. And at the time, milk was a really regular delivery. There was the milkman who came to the neighborhood delivering bottles of milk. Dave Young: Yeah. And we had a milkman. Maybe she didn’t like him and decided, “Sorry, we’re going the powdered route.” I don’t know. I don’t know. Stephen Semple: Interesting. Dave Young: We’ll never know. Stephen Semple: Following World War II, US consumers start going through a large transition. Suburbs, boom, refrigeration in the home becomes common, grocery stores emerge. Guess what? The writing on the wall for home milk delivery is there. Dave Young: The refrigerated section of the grocery store. Yep. Stephen Semple: Right. So Anthony sees this opportunity to create maybe...
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    19 分
  • #266: Yoohoo – Means I Love You

    #266: Yoohoo – Means I Love You
    2026/07/22
    Natale Olivieri wanted to sell bottled drinks so people could take them home. Noticed no premade chocolate milk, so… YooHoo! Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not so secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector and storyteller. I’m Stephen’s sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today’s episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it’s us, but we’re highlighting ads we’ve written and produced for our clients. So here’s one of those. [Central Heating & Air Ad] Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast. Dave Young here alongside Stephen Semple. And we’re talking about empires, big businesses, big enterprises that have gone global, have gone ballistic and become huge, huge names. And Stephen whispered in my ear that we’re going to be talking about Yoo-hoo. Stephen Semple: Yoo-hoo. Dave Young: Not yahoo. Stephen Semple: Yoo-hoo. Dave Young: I thought he was just trying to get my attention when he said it. But no, Yoo-hoo. It’s a soft drink, right? Is it like the predecessor of Mountain Dew? Is it related? Stephen Semple: Somewhat. Somewhat but it’s a- Dave Young: I kind of remember drinking a bottle of Yoo-hoo when I was a kid. Stephen Semple: It’s a chocolate drink though. Dave Young: Oh, it’s the chocolate thing. Yeah, yeah. No, I don’t think I’ve ever drank a bottle of that. Stephen Semple: Yeah. Well, and the reason why it’s kind of a predecessor to a bunch of things is that it really was the first in the made to drink category. It actually invented that category of made to drink type. Dave Young: Made to drink as opposed to a soda fountain where you’re mixing the syrup and the soda at the point of consumption. Stephen Semple: Correct. Or an orange juice where you mix the concentrate. It was sort of, again, one of the very first made. Today it’s part of Keurig. And as we- Dave Young: Is it really? Stephen Semple: Yeah. It’s part of Keurig today. Yeah. Dave Young: I don’t know why that doesn’t seem to fit what I think of- Stephen Semple: Well, Keurig owns a bunch of things now, like their Dr. Pepper and there’s a number of things in the Keurig world today. Dave Young: I’m not keeping up with the… Pretty soon they’re all going to be owned by one company. Stephen Semple: Well, you’re not keeping up with the mergers and acquisitions? Dave Young: No, not at all. Try to hide from it. What are you going to do? Stephen Semple: Because Keurig doesn’t break out the sales, the estimates are somewhere between 100 million and 300 million in sales through Yoo-hoo. But what we do know is it’s a pretty big deal to be part of that group now. Now it was started by Natale Olivieri in 1928 and he sold it to Max Geller, who was an advertising executive in the early 1960s for a million bucks. But a million bucks in the 1960s was good money, right? Dave Young: Probably good retirement for the guy in the ’60s. Stephen Semple: And that’s basically what he did. He retired, moved to Florida, and didn’t work again. Natale’s an Italian immigrant and he’s a soda shop owner in New Jersey. Dave Young: That makes sense. That tracks. Stephen Semple: Yeah. And he’s making his own bottle of fruit sodas, but he’s struggling to differentiate from Orange Crush and Nehi. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: And his drinks are called True Fruit and he uses these high quality ingredients and they’re sold in these take-home bottles, which was unusual at the time. But what he noticed is a lot of people, he was losing a lot of business to the chocolate drinks sold at the soda fountain across the street. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: Because remember, soda fountains is where we used to go and get all sorts of things like milkshakes. Right? Dave Young: Yeah. But he was doing bottled drinks and take them home. Stephen Semple: Bottled fruit drinks. Dave Young: Fruit drinks. Stephen Semple: Yeah. Bottled fruit drink. Dave Young: Okay. Not sodas. Stephen Semple: Yeah. Not sodas. But he also looked around, he saw there was no pre-bottled chocolate milk on the market. Dave Young: Okay. Yeah. Stephen Semple: So he had this idea, what if I could make a shelf-stable chocolate drink that customers ...
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    18 分
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