It’s reality for Perry. Like yesterday, within 90 seconds of waking up his worries went from trivial, “How am I gonna get my Starbucks app to work again?” To heavy, “I wonder if dad’s gonna be OK after his 2 ER visits.” And everything in between!

Steve Norman joins the team, and he, Perry, and Shawna kick off the podcast with a conversation about what to do with those trivial and overwhelming worries. Steve works with Winning at Home and is host of The New Norm podcast.

Then, Shawna admits she has perfected the art of holy procrastination. How do we focus on the task at hand and refuse to get sidetracked with distractions?

Then, Perry shares about a season of life when he went from lots of open doors doing the things that were giving him joy, to cleaning toilets. A conversation about when God “Shuts us in.”

And last, Shawna’s feeling a little overwhelmed at all the opportunities in front of her. She asks Steve, “How do you maximize your gifts and times within limits?”

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