In this deeply personal and raw episode the hosts open up to bring awareness to NZ Mental Health Week. Both Michael and Ryan get real about their own mental health journeys, discussing moments when their beliefs and personal myths crumbled, leaving them feeling lost and uncertain—what they call "entering the wasteland." They share the profound experiences that led them into this space, the struggles they faced, and the methods they used to navigate their way through.

This conversation goes beyond the surface as they offer vulnerable accounts of how they confronted the darkness in their lives, made difficult decisions, and ultimately emerged stronger. With a focus on growth, self-awareness, and resilience, Michael and Ryan share insights that may resonate with anyone who feels stuck, overwhelmed, or lost in their own challenges.

They speak not only as individuals who have endured their own hardships but as two men who continuously put in the work to heal, evolve, and become better versions of themselves. Whether you're dealing with mental health struggles or simply navigating tough times, this episode serves as a beacon of hope and a reminder that you are not alone on your journey. Tune in for an inspiring, honest, and sometimes uncomfortable look at what it means to face your fears and come out the other side.

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