In this episode, Stan is joined by Adam Segal, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, to discuss cybersecurity, cyber warfare, and US-China relations. They explore the complexities of negotiating over cyber activities, the fragmented state of the global internet, and the economic and strategic implications of cyberattacks. Adam also provides insights into the military comparison between the US and China, the potential for conflict over Taiwan, and the importance of ongoing diplomatic dialogue. Listen to delve into these pressing issues and understand the nuanced dynamics of international cybersecurity and military strategy.

Read Adam's Report: https://www.cfr.org/task-force-report/confronting-reality-in-cyberspace

00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview

01:10 The Internet's Broken Promise

02:58 Diplomacy in Cyberspace

03:59 China's Cyber Exploits

04:51 Understanding Cyber Attacks

08:23 Negotiating Cyber Norms

13:39 Defending Forward: U.S. Cyber Strategy

18:17 China-U.S. Cyber Relations

21:27 Artificial Intelligence and Cybersecurity

26:02 Military Strength and Strategic Ambiguity

32:51 Escalation and De-escalation Strategies

34:38 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Host Stan Christensen has spent his career working as a professional negotiator in a variety of arenas. He has also taught a popular course on negotiation at Stanford University for over twenty years.