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  • Women in the Story of Scripture
    2025/01/28
    The focus of this episode is our interpretation and understanding of women in the story of Scripture. We at BOW are thrilled to welcome once again Dr. Sandra Glahn of Dallas Seminary. In this recording Dr. Glahn talks with Kay Daigle about the way we interpret the stories of women in Scripture and how that affects our perspective of them. Additionally she suggests that we learn to understand them from the context and provides many examples of how to be true to the text--and there are so many! Whether you're a teacher of the Word or you're reading through the Bible and want to understand the women in the story of Scripture, you'll be encouraged as a woman by Dr. Glahn's insights and helps. You can also access this episode on video if you prefer. You may also want to access some of the many episodes featuring Dr. Glahn and her insights and scholarship. Time Stamps 00:24 Why this topic? 02:02 The elements of story help us interpret correctly 06:12 How does knowing more about narrative help us interpret? 07:02 Noticing whether a person is named or not 10:15 Faulty approaches to the story 12:56 How do we correct faulty interpretations? 15:04 Who are some women in the Bible we tend to skip? 21:32 Evil-izing women of the Bible & not the men 23:50 Questions that women are asking about the Bible 26:40 How will understanding story help us avoid faulty interpretations? 32:24 Final encouragement for Bible teachers 34:17 Other resources from Dr. Glahn TranscriptKay >> Welcome to this Beyond Ordinary Women Ministry podcast. We're so happy to have you on video or our podcast. Our guest today is Dr. Sandra Glahn, who has been with us many times. Welcome, Sandi. Thank you for being here. Dr. Glahn >> Such a pleasure. Always a pleasure. Love what you're doing. Kay >> Thank you so much. I always contact Sandi once or twice a year and just say, what do you have going on? What can we talk about? Because I know what a blessing it will be to all of you out there. And today we are talking about “Women in the Story of Scripture.” And I'm particularly excited about this one. Why are you working on this right now? Do you want to give us a little background? Dr. Glahn >> Yeah. So I'm working on a book right now called A Woman's Place in the Story. And my pitch was basically this: First we had men's history, and we study David and we study the children of Israel, and we study Moses, which is important to study as Scripture is important. But we tended to initially just skip the women and then as a corrective have gone back and done studies on the women of the Bible, which we are not done doing, by the way. So it's still completely appropriate to have a women's study Bible and studies of women because so often they were left out. Example, you might have heard a sermon series on Genesis that skipped the story of Tamar, that's essential to the plot of Joseph's life and to his brother Judah. So my argument is we need to go beyond cameoing women. The ideal would be to just tell the story but include the women as they're in the story because they're serving an important function in the story. And so what I want to talk about now is some of the tools we need to see them so that we interpret what's happening appropriately. Kay >> Well, that's great. I'm really excited about this as a Bible teacher myself. So I know I'm going to learn from you today, and I suspect that everyone out there will as well. So first, let's talk just a little bit about the elements of story. Dr. Glahn >> You think about if you read a novel, you’ve got a character, you've got a plot, you've got a setting. One of the things to know when we're reading the Hebrew Bible is that often the land acts as much like a character as a person, and God's using the land and things like this—we’ll get to the daughters of Zelophehad later. But just as an example: these women who come and they're concerned that their father's name will be forgotten,...
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  • Reclaiming the Fear of the Lord
    2025/01/14
    Rebecca Carrell In BOW's latest episode, Rebecca Carrell talks with Kay Daigle about the biblical term "the fear of the Lord" and the need for reclaiming it. What does it even mean? And why is it so crucial to our discipleship? Is the fear of the Lord simply revering or honoring God? Do we find that there is there more to it when we actually study it biblically? Other Resources This podcast is part of a series on Re-imagining Discipleship. Don't miss our other episodes: A Theological Perspective, A Spiritual Formation Perspective, A Church Leader Perspective, A Missions Perspective and A Kingdom Perspective. You can connect to the video version of Reclaiming the Fear of the Lord if you prefer. When you click on the podcast episodes of the other conversations in this series, you will find the video links as well. Time Stamps 00:23 Introducing Rebecca Carrell 04:36 Rebecca, why your interest in the fear of the Lord? 06:49 Why is the fear of the Lord difficult to understand? 08:56 What is the fear of the Lord? 15:26 What are the ramifications to the church over the loss of the fear of the Lord? 17:24 A healthy fear of the Lord 20:53 The way forward 23:44 Is the megachurch part of the problem? 25:09 How can a megachurch be done well? 30:11 Final encouragement 32:02 Other resources on discipleship TranscriptKay >> Hi. I'm Kay Daigle of beyond Ordinary Women Ministries. Welcome to this episode with Rebecca Carrell, our special guest. Welcome, Rebecca. Rebecca >> Thank you so much for having me, Kay. Kay >> Oh, we're so happy to have you again. And I'm really looking forward to this topic today. We're going to be talking about reclaiming the fear of the Lord, and it's going to be part of our series on Reimagining Discipleship. In that series, we've talked about various things that seem to be missing in the church today, and it all affects our discipleship. It's all part of our discipleship. And so this particular topic, when I saw that Rebecca had done some work on it and spoken on it, I felt like it was just perfect for what we do. Thank you, Rebecca, for doing that. Rebecca >> Oh, you know, this has just kind of been a burden on my heart for the last few years. And so it actually feels good to give it some expression. Kay >> Yes. Well, and that's the way I've felt about the whole discipleship thing, it was really a burden for me to see what I saw as a real lack of discipleship in the church. And so I'm really excited about this conversation. Rebecca holds a master's degree in Christian education from Dallas Seminary, and she is now working on her doctor of education degree. That is wonderful. I'm so excited to hear that you're doing that. Rebecca >> I am not sure how any of this happened. I've been in school since 2015. It's like when, oh Lord, will we be done? Hopefully in a couple of years. Kay >> My husband always says that if I could, I'd go to school all the time and that really is true. Rebecca >> And when you work there, it makes it easy because you know they're like, Sure, you can take some classes. So it's like, Well, we'll just keep going then. Kay >> That's great. Well, I'm really thrilled that you're doing that. Rebecca also produces and hosts a podcast, Honestly Though, and the subtitle is Real Talk, Real Life and Real Faith. And I highly recommend that our audience connect with that podcast. After spending 20 years on the radio in Dallas Fort Worth, she now mentors and teaches students at Dallas Seminary. Tell us what you teach. Rebecca >> So I have been working with the Great Dr. Sue Edwards and Dr. Joye Baker. They are nearing retirement. And so the plan is to have me work with them. They mentor me. And so when they finally decide to hang it up, I will be taking the classes that pertain to women ministering to women. So right now we co-teach a class called Women Teaching Women, which teaches women how to write and teach their own Bible studies.
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  • Do I Need a Spiritual Director, Coach, Counselor or Pastor?
    2024/12/03
    Jodie Niznik Julie Pierce Identifying the best support for Christian leaders is crucial when we deal with personal issues or leadership problems. What kind of outside professional will provide the best kind of guidance and wisdom for whatever has us stuck? Will a spiritual director, coach, counselor or pastor best help us with our difficulties? What are the differences in the kind of counsel and wisdom we would receive from these various professionals? Joining host Kay Daigle are Jodie Niznik and Julie Pierce who discuss the differences and provide guidance for those of us who need support of some kind. Identifying the best support for us as Christian leaders is the first step in moving forward. Connect to the video of this conversation if you prefer. Resources Three FAQs about Leadership Coaching by Julie Pierce Website for ESDA, a network of Christ-centered spiritual director Contact Julie Pierce: julie@get4sight.com Connect on LinkedIn Schedule a Free Discovery Call with Julie. Our BOW resources to help You, As a Leader Time Stamps 00:32 Introducing BOW's guests and the topic 05:27 Counselors' expertise 11:03 Coaches' expertise 18:40 How does a spiritual director help someone? 23:40 What should we expect from a pastor? 29:58 How does a leader help others discern where to best go for help? 31:33 Finding qualified experts 35:15 What not to do 42:31 Other helpful resources TranscriptKay >> Hi. I'm Kay Daigle. Welcome to the Beyond Ordinary Women podcast and video episode. Today's topic is designed to help you as a leader when you feel stuck or if you're struggling personally or in your ministry. We want to help you, and to do that we have invited two special guests to be with us, Jodie Niznik and Julie Pierce. Welcome. Jodie >> Thank you. It's good to be here. Kay >> Well, thank you for giving us your time and being here to help leaders in this situation. And we're really reaching out to you as leaders. You may not even need this right now. You may not need it right this moment, but you may need it later, so this episode is very important. It will help you if you need some support just because you're not sure what to do next in your ministry, or how to deal with a problem—whether it's that you have burned out or whether you just need some emotional support, whatever it is. We are here to help direct you to the right person because there are choices. And we're going to talk about the choices of going to a spiritual director, a counselor, coach, or just a pastor. What are the differences? And when would you go to one and not the other? We'll talk about their areas of expertise to help you make that decision. So let's talk about you, Jodie, for just a minute. Jodie has a scripture meditation podcast, So Much More that is excellent. Jodie has been on a church staff, and she understands what it's like to have that kind of pressure on you to be a spiritual leader. And we've had some great previous conversations with Jodie. We've talked about leadership lessons from the life of Moses. We've talked about taking a personal retreat. We've talked about spiritual practices that can help us. So look at her full bio on our website, BeyondOrdinaryWomen.org, and learn more about her. So, Jodie, we're just thrilled that you were able to be with us again. Jodie >> Thanks, Kay. It's always so, so good to be here. Kay >> And Julie, we are delighted to have you come for the first time—and hopefully it won't be for the last that you’ll be able to join us. Julie and I first met years ago. We were on the same church staff. I believe your title was church Communications Director. Julie >> Yes. Good memory, Kay. It feels like a long time ago. Kay >> Yeah, I started thinking that was probably it. Julie has a whole list of churches where she has served and also helped with their leadership situation. And she just has had a lot of leadership development roles...
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  • Why Celebrate Advent?
    2024/11/19
    Nika Spaulding Kay Daigle Why celebrate Advent? In this episode Nika Spaulding talks with Kay Daigle about what Advent is, why we should consider celebrating it, and how to do that in a meaningful way. If you've only done the wreath or the calendar at Advent, this episode will give you new insights as well as ideas to make it more personal to you and your family. This episode is available on video for those who prefer watching it. Recommended resources Watch for the Light: Readings for Advent and Christmas Advent by Tish Harrison Warren Advent: The Once and Future Coming of Jesus Christ by Fleming Rutledge Connect to the document with Advent candle lighting readings, BibleProject Advent Series and Spotify Playlist for Advent songs. If you're interested, you can connect to other BOW posts centering on Christmas. Timestamps: 00:36 Introductions 01:58 Nika & Kay's experiences with Advent 04:26 Quote from Tish Harrison Warren, author of Advent, on the big idea of Advent 05:15 The four weeks of Advent 09:22 Origins of Advent 13:26 Reasons to celebrate Advent 18:38 Advent puts us in the place of those waiting for Jesus 23:46 What John the Baptist teaches us about waiting 27:50 Suggested ways to celebrate Advent 34:35 Other Advent resources TranscriptKay >> Hi. I'm Kay Daigle of Beyond Ordinary Women Ministries. Welcome to this podcast episode and video. Whichever way you're watching or listening, we are thrilled that you have joined us. I am joined today by Nika Spaulding. Nika is a speaker, an author, a writer, and she is almost finished with her DMin in New Testament. Welcome Nika. Nika >> Thanks, Kay. I'm excited to be here. And I'm excited for this topic. I think you and I both are, so this will be fun. Kay >> Yeah, I think so too. So when do you finish this New Testament degree? Nika >> So all I have left is the thesis, so I suppose it's as quickly as I can write, which means not for a while. So it's not going as fast as I anticipated, but I think I'll be done in June 2025 and ready to graduate. So hopefully I'll knock that. Kay >> That's really right around the corner. Nika >> Yeah, it feels like it's right there. Like I've done all the, you know, the classes and you know, how it goes. Can you do all this work? And then you're like, the finish line is, I can see it, but what's between the finish line and now is like 90 pages. So I can knock that out. Kay >> Yeah, well, I can hardly wait to read it. Nika >> Thank you. Kay >> Anyway, Nika and I do want to talk about Advent and I think that we both have really benefited from celebrating Advent through the years. For me, I didn't grow up in a church that celebrated Advent in any way. We weren't a liturgical church in any way. We didn't do things like this, and it was really only as an adult that one of the churches I was in even had the Advent wreath and the candles in the church. But I have really grown to love Advent over the last few years. What about you, Nika? What is your background with Advent? Nika >> Yeah, it sounds so similar to yours. So I not only didn't grow up in a liturgical church, I didn't really grow up in the church at all. So my only experience of Advent was I had a great aunt who had sent my brother, sister and I chocolate Advent calendars, so I thought Advent was like chocolate. Like I thought it was like you get a piece of chocolate a day and my sister would eat all of hers before we even got to December 5th, and my brother would like hoard his and hide, you know? And so I had no idea Advent was a part of a church tradition until I was an adult. And it's interesting because I asked my two roommates who did grow up in the church but did not grow up in liturgical churches like you, and neither of them had any concept of it until they were adults. And I asked them as well, Did you have a concept of Lent? You know, you think of these two seasons: Advent prepares you for Christ...
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  • Seeking Joy in the Psalms
    2024/11/06
    Claudia McGuire Kay Daigle Several weeks before the election, Claudia McGuire and Kay Daigle discussed seeking joy in the Psalms. Our hope and prayer is that whether the candidate you voted for won or lost, you can raise your voice in thanks to God for his love and care today and find his joy. About half of us are likely disappointed in the results, whatever they may be. Although we may not understand what God is doing in our world, we can trust his heart and his wisdom, knowing that his priority is his kingdom, not an earthly one. Relying on what we know about God's power and his character, knowing that our God is the true ruler whom we all seek, and recognizing that he has purpose in whatever has happened, we seek joy in the Psalms today. Recommended resources Video/podcast episode with Nika Spaulding Cultivating Joy CSB Scripture Notebook: Psalms which includes journaling pages Near to the Heart of God Bible study on selected Psalms This episode is available on video as well. Timestamps 00:21 Introduction 01:08 Why be joyful and why the Psalms? 03:18 Claudia goes through Psalm 23, sharing what it has meant to her life 22:13 Kay's experience finding joy in the Psalms 27:26 Kay goes through Psalm 27, sharing how it helps her find joy 34:54 Insights 39:37 Other resources TranscriptKay >> Welcome to the Beyond Ordinary Women podcast and video. I'm Kay Daigle your host today. And I am joined by Claudia McGuire. Welcome, Claudia. I'm glad you were able to join me today. Claudia >> Me too. Kay >> Claudia and I attended Dallas Seminary together, and it's getting to be a long time since that happened. I was thinking about it's being a long time. That's where we first met, I think. She has served on our BOW ministry team since its inception, and she brings a wealth of experience and knowledge in life and in ministry to our conversation. But you can read more about her on her bio on our website at BeyondOrdinaryWomen.org. Our topic today is Seeking Joy in the Psalms. Before we start, I want to make it clear that we recorded this session in October weeks ago from when it drops. So we don't know what happened in the election, but we guess that about half of the people in the country are upset this morning as this particular episode goes online. Of course, that assumes that the results are in and we have no idea when that will actually happen. But as we think about today, the day after the election, and even ongoing, it's important just to remember that joy is an important quality for Christians. Whether there's disappointment, whether there's fear—no matter what it is—God wants us to have joy instead. And joy is a fruit of the Spirit. So it is something we all should be exhibiting because we are believers and the Holy Spirit lives within us. So we should want to seek joy. That's the reason we decided to have this particular episode on Seeking Joy in the Psalms. I have found that the Psalms are a great place if you don't feel that you are joyful, If you're struggling, or if you're unhappy in any situation. It may have nothing to do with an election. But whatever it is, whatever your circumstances are, the Psalms are a great place to go. So the big question is how do we as Christians handle bad news in general? Grief? hard times? whatever it is? How do we as God's people of faith deal with those things? And how do we exhibit joy in the midst of that? So the Psalms are going to tell us to put our joy in the Lord. Claudia's going to start us out. Claudia, what Psalm has really been meaningful to you when you've dealt with things that are hard, things that your circumstances, that you're struggling in? Is there a certain psalm that you go to? Claudia >> Yes, especially for the past two years. I think I have one that I have gone to over and over. I find that sometimes I'll wake up in the middle of the night and I just start saying it to bring peace into my sleep,
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  • Practical Prayer Solutions
    2024/10/22
    Kelly Arabie Kay Daigle If you're struggling with prayer, we have some practical prayer solutions. Kay Daigle and Kelly Arabie discuss some of the causes and practical ways to get past them. Do you long to feel successful in your prayer life instead of dealing with distractions, repetition, a disorganized prayer list or the fear of praying with others? Kay and Kelly confront all of these issues and provide practical solutions to your prayer struggles. You can link to the video version of this conversation if you prefer. Resources You can access the slides from the video version of this podcast. Or you may want to browse BOW's other resources on the topic of prayer. Suggested printed resources CSB Scripture Notebook John Bailee – Diary of Private Prayer Valley of Vision: A Collection of Puritan Prayers and Devotions Every Moment Holy – Volumes 1,2,3 The Book of Common Prayer Lectio 365 app Time Stamps 00:33 Welcome & introductions 03:19 Solutions for distractions 10:13 Solutions for repetitive prayers 17:38 Navigating prayer requests 21:22 Organizing prayer requests 27:13 Praying aloud with others 40:51 Praying in tough times 42:27 God wants you to talk to him 43:57 Closing prayer 44:38 Other prayer resources TranscriptKelly >> Hello and welcome to the Beyond Ordinary Women podcast. I'm Kelly Arabie and today I'm talking with Kay Daigle. The podcast that we're doing today is Practical Prayer Solutions. Kay, I'm so excited that you reached out to me about this topic when we talked about the two podcasts that we would be recording this month. Bible Study and prayer were two things that I was really excited to talk with you about. So I'm glad that we're going to be talking about prayer today. I can honestly say that's not always the case. Maybe earlier in my life I can remember one of the first women's retreats I helped plan. The topic was on prayer. And when that was announced, it kind of went over like a lead balloon. It was perhaps not the most the topic that everybody was excited about. And I say that regretfully, I have learned a lot in my spiritual life in the area of prayer. And I know that there's a lot that you have experience with and have to say to that as well. Tell me a little bit about why you wanted to record today. Kay >> Well, I'm excited about this recording too, Kelly. In January. the women in charge of the Bible study that I've been part of in our church asked me if I would, they actually asked me in the fall, but they asked me if in January I would do a four part series, just more of a lecture format, on prayer. And they just really left it up to me as to what to do. And so I had a plan for that. But I also realized that there are impediments to prayer. Things that stop us from praying, or we're not comfortable with it, or whatever. So that very first week I passed out blank cards to all the women who were there, and I asked them to write down what was the hardest thing for them about prayer. And these practical solutions are the answers that we discussed over those four weeks. And I was really amazed at the variety of problems they came up with. But these were the main four. These were the ones that the most people commented on. And I thought that perhaps this would be helpful to our larger audience as well, because it really seemed to be meaningful to some of the women in the group. Kelly >> So what are some of those impediments to prayer? Kay >> Well, the first one that I covered (and this was even before I had the cards, because I needed to go ahead and talk about something), is something that people had told me over and over. I'd already been hearing it, and that is distractions. We start praying, and then we're distracted by other things, and we get our minds off it and often never go back to prayer—or just cut it short, whatever. And I think there are a lot of ways we can deal with that,
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  • The State of Ministry to Women Today
    2024/10/08
    Kelley Mathews Becky Loyd What is the state of ministry to women today? Lifeway conducted a survey to find the answer. In this episode BOW Minister Team Member Kelly Mathews interviews Becky Loyd of Lifeway about what their survey revealed about women's ministry in the local church. The results provide facts and figures that support the need for women's ministry in the local church and encourage and challenge the women in its leadership. These findings reveal how valuable a women's ministry is to a church. You can link to the video version of this episode if you prefer watching it. You may also benefit from looking over BOW's other resources on the topic of women's ministry. Time Stamps: 00:21 Introductions 02:51 Survey results 11:00 Work still needing to be done 15:26 Volunteer vs. paid women leaders 22:44 Why approach your pastor? 25:38 Encouraging women leaders who are underpaid, etc. 29:14 Closing comments & other resources Resources: https://research.lifeway.com/state-of-ministry-to-women/ TranscriptKelley >> Welcome to Beyond Ordinary Women Ministries. I am Kelley Mathews, your host today. And with me I have Becky Loyd. Becky is with Lifeway, but I feel like you've had a new title change here recently. Can you give me a sense of what you're doing now? Becky >> Yes, I have had a new title change, but I am acting as my previous title as the director of Lifeway Women. So I have actually been at Lifeway for 24 years, if you can believe it. I worked a lot my time in our kids ministry area until about 2010. And then I grew up and graduated to work with adult and women's ministries. And just in the past few months, I don't know if this is growing up or I don't know exactly what this is, but I am working on our really strategic planning for all of Lifeway. So working across all of our different ministry areas and making sure we're aligned going in the same direction to serve church leaders. It's interesting, I was called to ministry. My dad was a Minister of Music. So ministry is in my blood and when I was about to kind of enter the workforce, I had a moment where it was, should I go to seminary? And I applied and did all the things and then I ended up in business school. And so I've been doing. You hate to call it the business of ministry but that's really the gifting that God gave me. And so I have been working at Lifeway serving church leaders and churches for the last 24 years. And it's been the time of my life. I love it. Kelley >> Fantastic. And no one at a business like that would want to ignore such talent on the business end of things because it's certainly needed. So that's awesome. So we heard of you because of your time as director of the women's ministry there, and there is a survey that was put out. Before I go there, I understand you're an LSU tigers fan? Becky >> Well, yes, I did get my undergrad and graduate degree from LSU. Go Tigers. Kelley >> Well, go Tigers. Same here. So we have a lot in common already just like that. Becky >> Woo-hoo! Kelley >> I know. I love it. Couldn't resist. Sorry. But also, I have been in the Baptist world in ministry and women's ministry. And so I feel like this connection is pretty natural here. And I was very interested to see the report that came out just last year on the state of women or the state of ministry to women. So let's talk a little bit about that and what caused you and your team to put it out. Becky >> Yeah, it's really interesting. Lifeway is an entity that serves all parts of the local church - worship ministry, kids ministry. We serve many, many different parts. And as a person who my job is really to advocate for the work that we are doing for women at Lifeway, I found myself saying over and over again, women are underrepresented on the church staff. I think I said it so many times that the guys just kind of rolled their eyes. When I'm in a meeting and my guys don't forget,
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  • Cultivating Joy
    2024/09/24
    Nika Spaulding Sharifa Stevens Cultivating joy is an important part of our discipleship, as Nika Spaulding explains to Sharifa Stevens, BOW Team Member. Nika explains what joy is and why it is important for disciples of Jesus to manifest this fruit of the Spirit. We can have joy even when experiencing sorrow and duress. Both can be true at once. Cultivating joy in any situation of life allows us to look more like Jesus, especially during this time when leaders are causing God's people to fear. This episode is also available on video if you prefer watching it. Timestamps: 00:33 –Introductions 02:47 - What is joy and how do we see it in others? 07:37 - God delights in us 14:50 - How does believing that God delights in us affect us? 15:17 - God's love and joy are constant 16:00 - What does cultivating joy look like? 21:45 - Joy under duress and sorrow 25:14 - Feeling two things at once 28:00 – Jesus' example 29:19 – Giving people permission to lament 30:54 - Importance of modeling joy 34:03 - The goal is looking like Jesus 34:10 - Joy is vulnerable 38:49 - Resources Resources The Other Half of Church: Christian Community, Brain Science, and Overcoming Spiritual Stagnation By Jim Wilder BOW series with Nika Spaulding on Lament: 1- Understanding Lament and 2- Practicing Lament. TranscriptSharifa >> Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Beyond Ordinary Women. I am your host for today, Sharifa Stevens and I have the distinct pleasure of talking with Nika Spaulding today. Let me tell you a little bit about Nika. Nika is a proud graduate of both the University of Oklahoma and Dallas Theological Seminary, where she has a Master of Theology. She's currently working on her Doctor of Ministry at Northern Seminary. God gave her the privilege of planting a church in Oak Cliff, Texas, called St Jude Oak Cliff, where she is Resident Theologian. And when she's not cheering on her Sooners, playing with her cat, Clive, who we might see later, or enjoying a good meal with her friends, she's probably sneaking off to Oklahoma to snuggle with her favorite humans, her nieces and nephew. Nika, thank you for joining us today. Nika >> Oh, I'm excited to be here. It's good to see you, friend. Sharifa >> Good to see you, too. And I'm really excited about the subject for today, which is Cultivating Joy. Nika >> Yeah. A big topic. Sharifa >> Right. It is! So let's get into it. Nika >> Yeah. Love it. It's interesting. Before we started recording, you and I were talking about how this topic of joy seems to be coming up in our individual lives. And then, of course, we're talking about here. And really, I would argue starting in 2020, because of both global tragedy and then just tragedy in my own personal life, I was very acquainted with the idea of lament and grief and all of that. And it's been a really sweet gift to come up a little bit and have the Lord drop this idea, this massive, huge idea of joy in front of me. And so it's a topic that I've talked about in both teaching opportunities as well as something I'm trying to cultivate on my current staff team at my church, and then also just in my own personal life. And so it's a small, tiny, big, huge topic that we get to try to talk about today. Sharifa >> Absolutely. And I hope later you can touch on this more, but it seems like there's always accompanied with joy, there's a sense of grief. Nika >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Sharifa >> Let's just let's get into it. What is joy and can it be recognized in us and God, is it written all over our face? Nika >> Yeah, it tends to be. One of the ways that I was reintroduced to the idea of Joy was I was talking to a friend about wanting to really come up with really good questions as part of a discipleship program. So my idea was, hey, I'd love to partner people together, have them ask really important questions about God, about themselves, about their neighbor,
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