In this episode, Matt sits down with Sara Dingman, the executive of the Synod of Lincoln Trails in Indiana and Illinois. Together, they delve into the topic of self-imposed constraints within the church. As their conversation unfolds, they explore the idea of the Presbyterian Church supporting pastors in starting their own businesses as a way to foster community relationships, develop organizational leadership skills, and fund ministry. Sara and Matt both share a belief in finding a balanced approach to addressing any concerns about the intersection of business and the church. What are your thoughts on this? Who do you know who has business and leadership skills who could help design a training? Who do you know that can help navigate resources that we already have that could help? But more importantly, what is God calling us to do? Sit back, start praying, and share this conversation with others. Let's get started! 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:03 Introducing Sarah Dingman and the Topic of Self-Imposed Constraints 00:56 Exploring Self-Imposed Constraints in the Church 03:46 Identifying and Overcoming Upper Limits 05:17 Coaching and Breaking Boundaries 08:10 Rethinking Pastoral Roles and Assumptions 11:28 The Concept of Multi-Vocational Ministry 16:35 The Benefits and Challenges of Multi-Vocational Ministry 24:11 Encouraging Entrepreneurial Spirit in Pastors 29:34 Conclusion and Final Thoughts #pcusa #reformation #constraints #limits #coaching #pastoralroles #business #church #businessandchurch #amish #organizationalleadership #multivocationalministry