00:00 Intro/Catching up together
04:48 Pairing Old & New Testament Icons
11:42 Fr Symeon tells a story
17:12 Adoption, grafting, Friendsgiving & the cherry on top
24:05 Saint Paul explaining the reality of Israel in Romans
34:07 The secret in The Nativity icon about Joseph & Mary
37:37 The presence of The Son at both ends of The Tree of Jesse
41:10 Saint Paul at Mars Hill, is the problem life or death
51:15 The importance of physicality & mental stillness
55:09 Closing thoughts & outro

A Shoot from The Stump of Jesse - S7E15

In this special Advent themed conversation we again welcome friend of the show, iconographer Nick Papas to help us dive deep into the relationship between the Old Testament icon of The Tree of Jesse & the icon of The Nativity of Our Lord God & Savior Jesus Christ.

If you would like access to the spreadsheet which details the relationship of the figures on the tree to Jesus or The Theotokos, please contact us so we can provide it to you.

Reference materials for this episode:
- Nick’s work
- https://www.saintdemetriuspress.com
- https://www.facebook.com/Nick.Papas.Studio

Scripture citations for this episode:
- Genesis 18: Sarah laughed
- Isaiah 11: The Peaceful Kingdom prophecy of The Messiah
- Luke 1: Zechariah doubts the birth of John & Mary is amazed at the birth of Jesus
- Luke 24: The Road to Emmaus
- Romans 15; references Isaiah 11

#advent #christmas #nativity #iconography

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Iconographic images used by kind permission of Nicholas Papas, who controls distribution rights of these images

Prints of all of Nick’s work can be found at Saint Demetrius Press - http://www.saintdemetriuspress.com

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00:00 Intro
02:04 Chapter 1
09:59 Chapter 2
20:11 Chapter 3
30:09 Chapter 4
40:10 Chapter 5
50:08 Chapter 6
61:13 Chapter 7
65:09 Outro

The second half of our conversation about how a huge part of the problem with "politics" in The United States is both "sides" have the same underlying assumption: we can't live the good life until everyone agrees with us & the laws reflect our agreement.

Fr Symeon's recent trip to visit his family provides an opportunity to poke holes in this assumption by discussing the ways in which, simply as a practical example, we can see people living, as St Paul said "...aspire to live quietly, to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands..." in a country most Americans would insist is about as far from what we want our society to be as is possible. Well, if people can do it under the world's most challenging conditions, then Orthodox Christians can do it in the USA, whether the political winds are going their way, or against them.

And if we can walk in the way of the life of faithfulness no matter the political climate, then why are we spending so much time getting wound up about it? Maybe what it boils down to, is we don't want to see all of humanity get saved, we want to see our enemies get their comeuppance.

Reference materials for this episode:

St John Chrysostom’s commentary on Romans
-12:9-21 - https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/210221.htm & https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/210222.htm
- 13:1-7 - https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/210223.htm


Scripture citations for this episode:

Romans
- 12:9-21 live in harmony
- 13:1-7 be good citizens
1 Corinthians
- 6:1-11 lawsuits
Ephesians
- 6:5-9 no slave rebellions
Philemon
- no slave rebellions

The Christian Saints Podcast is a joint production of Generative sounds & Paradosis Pavilion with oversight from Fr Symeon Kees

Paradosis Pavilion - https://youtube.com/@paradosispavilion9555

https://www.instagram.com/christiansaintspodcast
https://twitter.com/podcast_saints
https://www.facebook.com/christiansaintspodcast
https://www.threads.net/@christiansaintspodcast

Iconographic images used by kind permission of Nicholas Papas, who controls distribution rights of these images

Prints of all of Nick’s work can be found at Saint Demetrius Press - http://www.saintdemetriuspress.com

All music in these episodes is a production of Generative Sounds
https://generativesoundsjjm.bandcamp.com
Distribution rights of this episode & all music contained in it are controlled by Generative Sounds
Copyright 2021 - 2023

00:00 Intro/Back from China
03:56 Journalism in China & The West
09:51 Harmony, rancor, journalism, editorial & social media
19:49 Saint Paul to The Church in Rome on quiet living
23:07 Vacation vs daily life in a place
27:29 Nominalism cannot be the path to social harmony
35:57 To love neighbor & enemy we must participate in God's holiness
40:12 Humble repentance is the path to a just society
43:11 Christianity isn't convenient, look at Syria
50:10 Models of church & state
53:20 No such thing as Orthodox government
54:54 The Church is perfect, stop trying to defend it from itself
58:55 The is no invisible church, there is only The Church
63:45 Two ways to try to be above the bishops
65:27 No, we can't all just get along/Closing


A huge part of the problem with "politics" in The United States is both "sides" have the same underlying assumption: we can't live the good life until everyone agrees with us & the laws reflect our agreement.

Fr Symeon's recent trip to visit his family in China provides an opportunity to poke holes in this assumption by discussing the ways in which, simply as a practical example, we can see people living, as St Paul said "...aspire to live quietly, to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands..." in a country most Americans would insist is about as far from what we want our society to be as is possible. Well, if people can do it in China, then Orthodox Christians can do it in the USA, whether the political winds are going their way, or against them.

And if we can walk in the way of the life of faithfulness no matter the political climate, then why are we spending so much time getting wound up about it? Maybe what it boils down to, is we're afraid of inconvenience.


Reference materials for this episode:

St John Chrysostom’s commentary on Romans
-12:9-21 - https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/210221.htm & https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/210222.htm
- 13:1-7 - https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/210223.htm


Scripture citations for this episode:

Romans
- 12:9-21 live in harmony
- 13:1-7 be good citizens
1 Corinthians
- 6:1-11 lawsuits
Ephesians
- 6:5-9 no slave rebellions
Philemon
- no slave rebellions


#china #syria #journalism #editorial #quietlife

The Christian Saints Podcast is a joint production of Generative sounds & Paradosis Pavilion with oversight from Fr Symeon Kees

Paradosis Pavilion - https://youtube.com/@paradosispavilion9555

https://www.instagram.com/christiansaintspodcast
https://twitter.com/podcast_saints
https://www.facebook.com/christiansaintspodcast
https://www.threads.net/@christiansaintspodcast

Iconographic images used by kind permission of Nicholas Papas, who controls distribution rights of these images

Prints of all of Nick’s work can be found at Saint Demetrius Press - http://www.saintdemetriuspress.com

All music in these episodes is a production of Generative Sounds
https://generativesoundsjjm.bandcamp.com
Distribution rights of this episode & all music contained in it are controlled by Generative Sounds
Copyright 2021 - 2023