The design choices of a building may not mean much to the common passerby - but for this week's guest Isabella Segalovich aka @interstellar_isabellar  even the most subtle of architecture and ornament can speak volumes about the historical and political ideologies behind those who brought the space to life.

This content is what her page is centered on, aiming to help everyone to recognize the ways  ornament and design contribute to culture for many communities and how the dismantling of these traditional styles has been inherently tied to white supremacy and facism.

Isa has been doing incredible work for the last year and has amassed over 150,000 subscribers on TikTok.  Listen to learn how her platform has grown and how she has personally made Ben Shapiro angry. (What a win!)

This convo goes deep - we discuss accountability and call-in vs call-out culture, briefly visit the 'womblands', take a look at ornament from a historical and interpersonal perspective,  and get into self-censorship on platforms that make it hard to fully engage in conversations around tough topics - like fascism and Nazis.

In this episode we mention the following creators who are 100% worth supporting:
@ellaequeue
@ sunnydaejones
@navajorocks
@diamond_dog74
@mesterspets
@thanpersand