“Life is a series of trade-offs.” “Never a failure, always a lesson.” “Did you see this photo of my cat?”

We’re sharing our OWN honest reflections of the year, highlighting the top trade-offs we both made in 2024.

You’ll hear about:

• Reckoning with the dark side of social media: do the costs outweigh the benefits?
• Where do you go online without Instagram?
• Jeni now has something to nurture other than 1,000 houseplants.
• She’s a Crazy Cat Lady now!
• The scariness yet magic of delegating.
• Outsourcing is a spectrum, not a binary.
• What the f*ck is Jeni doing with her life?
• Unemployment vs. funemployment.
• Being a Good Times Monster vs. disciplined (or being both)
• Our BIG ESCAPE ROOM ANNOUNCEMENT that everyyyybody’s asking about
• Some big appreciations and perhaps changes to this show?

Calling all listeners! Yes, you! Could you do us one of these as a holiday gift? Pretty please with a cherry on top?

1- Send an episode you love of FTLO to a friend so we can reach new folks.

2- Tag us on your Instagram Story with a recommendation to list.

3- Let us know if you’d like more “solo” (duo?) episodes, or weekly episodes.

4- We’re looking for partners to support the show! Got a brand who’d be a great fit?

5- Send us your recs for guests! We want a more diverse range of voices.

We absolutely love you and send you the brightest vibes as we enter 2025. See ya soon!

👋Connect with us:

• Angie's new Substack
• Jeni on Instagram

Shout-Outs:

-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins

-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.

-For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com

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What does training for spending weeks deep underground teach you about the rest of life?

Katie Graham is a passionate cave and canyon explorer who discovered Canada’s deepest and second deepest caves. This feat was showcased in the 2023 documentary film “Subterranean.”

Katie is a fellow of the Royal Canadian Geographic Society and president of the Alberta Speleological Society. As a former accountant, she left her corporate gig to spend more time underground.

We talk about:

• Is it caving, or spelunking?
• The pressure of working deep underground, especially with a film crew
• Breaking her leg days deep in the cave and self-evacuating for 3 days
• Hauling tons of heavy gear for weeks just to spend minutes in a cave section
• The mundane monotony of training for expeditions
• Finding balance between celebrating milestones and the training grind
• The mental game of cave diving
• Burning out with a passion and how to add fun back into it
• The scary days that kick your ass are the ones that matter most
• Why Katie started professional accounting and why she later quit
• The nuance of her team being kicked out of a village on a caving trip to Mexico
• The effects of living underground for weeks and manipulating your own circadian rhythm
• Making cool cave suits!

PSST! If you like this episode, you’ll love How Sunny Stroeer Transformed Her Corporate Skills to Advance Gender Equity in the Outdoors and Combining Art Forms and Identities with Drag Raptress Samuel Thrower, AKA Slutashia

Connect with Katie:

• Subterranean Film
• Katie on Instagram

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4 - Right now, text one friend who would like For The Love Of.

Shout-Outs:

-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins

-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.

For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com

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What does it mean to uncage your own soul and find vitality, even in challenging periods of life?

John Waller is an award-winning filmmaker, speaker, and adventurer. After founding the video production company Uncage the Soul in 2004, he dedicated his career to capturing wild and serene landscapes, as well as the stories of the people who call them home.

In 2020, John was diagnosed with stage 4 colorectal cancer. This inspired him to pursue a life filled with purpose, vitality, and a deeper appreciation for the natural spaces he has long admired.

We talk about:

• How award-winning Uncage the Soul productions came to life
• Traveling the world after college and gaining comfort in the unknown and getting a “social education”
• Dedicating 16 years of life to his company while wearing all the hats
• The decision to end Uncage the Soul towards the start of COVID-19 pandemic and trying to personally separate himself from his business
• Going to a doctor after 10 years and learning he has terminal cancer
• The emotions and shifts that come with a life-changing diagnosis and how John’s experience as a producer helped him find support
• Releasing an aversion to accepting help from others
• Using psychedelics as a way to access a deeper side of himself
• Learning to swim with instead of against the current of life
• What John is afraid of as he approaches the end of his life
• Mending the Line: Uncage’s film about fly-fisher Frank Moore

PSST! If you like this episode, did you know we have over 30 other conversations with people who have lived big lives and made trade-offs to pursue their passions?

We've spoken with a former Hollywood star who moved to Kentucky to open a preschool, an adventurer who lost a toe while guiding on Mount Rainier, a drag queen who found empowerment by embracing an alter ego, and a pro ice climber who continues to adventure as a mom of twins. Find all episodes at www.fortheloveofpod.com/episodes.

Explore John's work:

• Uncage the Soul Productions

👋Like the show? Share the stoke!:

1 - Your 5-star ratings and reviews make a huge difference, both for the future of the show and the smiles on our faces! ⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of on Apple Podcasts and on Spotify.

2 - Follow @for.the.love.of.podcast and tag us in a post or Story! (https://instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast)

3 - Connect with Angie on Instagram (https://instagram.com/angvswild) and Jeni on Instagram (https://instagram.com/jenistembridge).

4 - Right now, text one friend who would like For The Love Of.

Shout-Outs:

-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins

-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.

For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com

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