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  • Build Trust - The Secret to Closing Sales Effectively - ABB
    2024/11/20
    Mike is joined by Sophie Neate, Global Head of Digital Marketing and Content at ABB Electrification. Sophie dives into her career journey and offers a glimpse into the strategies that set ABB apart. She discusses how ABB leverages its strengths across industries to deliver value to a broad audience and how it strategically communicates to different customer segments. A key focus of the conversation is the buyer’s journey, an important framework Sophie uses to guide potential customers from awareness to decision-making. She discusses her approach to integrating the buyer’s journey into campaign planning, striking a balance between long-term brand building and the immediate priorities of lead generation and sales support. About ABB Building on over 140 years of excellence, our more than 105,000 employees worldwide are committed to delivering on our purpose with innovations that create success for ABB and all our stakeholders. Our solutions connect engineering know-how and software to optimize how things are manufactured, moved, powered and operated. In collaboration with our customers, partners and suppliers, we address the world’s energy challenges, transform industries and embed sustainability in everything we do. About Sophie Neate Sophie is a senior marketing leader with over 16 years of experience across the entire marketing cycle. Her background includes working for blue-chip companies on an international scale, where she has held global management roles, currently holding the position of Global Head of Digital Marketing and Content for ABB’s Electrification Service division. She has been responsible for establishing marketing teams and key functions, driving initiatives that have consistently delivered successful outcomes. With extensive knowledge, capability, and a strategic mindset in marketing, Sophie delivers strong commercial results. Sophie holds a Bachelor of Business Studies (BBS) with a major in Marketing. Time Stamps [00:43:2] – Sophie provides an overview of her career background. [03:14.6] – Sophie shares insights into what makes ABB unique. [05:58:7] – Sophie discusses the importance of the buyer’s journey in creating effective marketing campaigns. [14:26:9] – Sophie explains the marketing tactics that work best in different scenarios. [18:20:0] – Sophie talks about balancing the immediate demands of lead generation with the long-term goal of building a strong brand reputation. [21:18:7] – Sophie discusses AI and how she sees her role evolving alongside advancements in AI. [22:17:2] – Sophie shares the best piece of marketing advice she’s ever received. [23:17:2] – Sophie offers advice for those just starting their marketing careers. Quotes "My passion lies in providing the best customer experience through innovative solutions and working for a company like ABB who pride themselves on this vision." - Sophie Neate, Global Head of Digital Marketing and Content at ABB. "The buyer's journey for me is crucial in marketing because it maps out the path that a potential customer takes from becoming aware of the problem to making a purchasing decision." - Sophie Neate, Global Head of Digital Marketing and Content at ABB. "Segmentation and targeting is key... we're able to build trust and credibility, which enables repeat purchasing and ongoing loyalty." - Sophie Neate, Global Head of Digital Marketing and Content at ABB. Follow Sophie: Sophie Neate on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sophie-neate-2ba37849/ ABB website: https://global.abb/group/en ABB on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/abb/posts/?feedView=all Follow Mike: Mike Maynard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaynard/ Napier website: https://www.napierb2b.com/ Napier LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/napier-partnership-limited/ If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to our podcast for more discussions about the latest in Marketing B2B Tech and connect with us on social media to stay updated on upcoming episodes. We'd also appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your favourite podcast platform. Want more? Check out Napier’s other podcast - The Marketing Automation Moment: https://podcasts.apple.com/ua/podcast/the-marketing-automation-moment-podcast/id1659211547
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  • Go-To-Market Strategy and Social Media for B2B: Insights from Andy Lambert - Adobe
    2024/11/13

    Andy Lambert, Senior Product Marketing Manager, at Adobe and founder of ContentCal, a social media marketing tool acquired by Adobe in 2021, shares his insights into the intricacies of navigating acquisitions and shares his thoughts on effective go-to-market strategies. He offers some great ideas on how to leverage social media in the B2B space, along with tactical advice on successful campaigns and practical tips to support your own marketing efforts.

    About Adobe

    Adobe is a global leader in digital media and digital marketing solutions with a range of creative apps and services for photography, design, video and more.

    About Andy Lambert

    Andy is a marketing leader who has spent the last 12 years setting up, scaling and selling multiple software businesses.

    In 2016, Andy joined two others as part of the founding team of ContentCal, a social media marketing tool. Over five years, the team raised over $10 million, expanded to serve thousands of customers across more than 100 countries, won numerous awards, and, in late 2021, was acquired by Adobe Inc.

    Time Stamps

    [00:42.2] – Andy discusses his career from founding ContentCal to joining Adobe.

    [03:52.2] – Andy talks about the importance of defining a target audience.

    [10:59:1] – Andy explains his take on go-to-market strategies.

    [15:39.5] – How can B2B businesses leverage social media?

    [20:22.3] – Andy talks about some examples of successful marketing campaigns.

    [24:48.7] – Andy discusses how the role of the CMO may change in coming years.

    [27:31.3] – Andy shares the best piece of marketing advice he’s heard.

    [28:16.9] – Andy offers advice for those just starting their marketing careers.

    Quotes

    "It's easy to get over enamoured with how quickly you can get stuff done with AI. AI tools are an amazing opportunity to increase your utility and increase your leverage, but it's very important that we balance that… balance it with a deep understanding at an emotional level of what truly drives an audience.”- Andy Lambert, Senior Product Marketing Manager at Adobe.

    “I just need to post more on LinkedIn, right? No. 80 percent of the content that happens about our brand on social should not be from us, it should be from other people. So, it's our job to try and find a way to unlock that.” - Andy Lambert, Senior Product Marketing Manager at Adobe.

    Follow Andy:

    Andy Lambert on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andyrlambert/

    Adobe website: https://www.adobe.com/

    Adobe on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/adobe/

    Follow Mike:

    Mike Maynard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaynard/

    Napier website: https://www.napierb2b.com/

    Napier LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/napier-partnership-limited/

    If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to our podcast for more discussions about the latest in Marketing B2B Tech and connect with us on social media to stay updated on upcoming episodes. We'd also appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your favourite podcast platform.

    Want more? Check out Napier’s other podcast - The Marketing Automation Moment: https://podcasts.apple.com/ua/podcast/the-marketing-automation-moment-podcast/id1659211547

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    31 分
  • Simplifying SEO: How to Demystify Search Engine Optimization - Moz
    2024/10/23

    Ethan Hays, General Manager at Moz, dives into the world of SEO. He shares his insights on simplifying SEO and the importance of democratising it within organisations, ensuring all stakeholders recognise its value.

    Ethan compares the dynamics of startups and large enterprises, as well as the cultural differences between East and West Coast marketing landscapes. He also explores the evolving role of the Chief Marketing Officer (CMO) and the need for integrating marketing and sales in today’s business environment.

    About Moz

    Moz is a marketing analytics software company that provides tools and resources for search engine optimisation (SEO). The platform offers features like keyword research, link building, and site audits to help businesses improve their online visibility and search rankings. Moz is also known for its educational content, including blogs and guides that simplify SEO for users of all skill levels.

    About Ethan

    Originally studying sports medicine, Ethan discovered a passion for SEO and has built a successful career over the past two decades. Having held various roles in startups, enterprises and agencies, as well as founding his own agency, he is now the General Manager at Moz and STAT Search Analytics.

    Time Stamps

    00:04:54 - Ethan's Career Journey: Startups to Agencies 00:08:33 - Cultural Differences: East Coast vs. West Coast 00:13:27 - The Misconceptions of SEO 00:16:30 - Democratizing SEO Within Organizations 00:18:08 - Moz's Approach to Simplifying SEO 00:23:40 - The Impact of Generative AI on SEO 00:32:15 - The Evolving Role of CMOs 00:36:01 - Quick Marketing Advice from Ethan 00:37:27 - Advice for Aspiring Marketers 00:40:16 - Contact Information

    Quotes

    “It shocks me… talking to executives at very large, sophisticated companies who to this day have not even approached SEO as a category. Like it’s too complex….” Ethan Hays General Manager at Moz and STAT Analytics.

    “It [SEO] is the single most scalable source of high margin, high intent traffic.” Ethan Hays General Manager at Moz and STAT Analytics.

    Follow Ethan:

    Ethan Hays on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethanhays/

    Moz website: https://moz.com/

    Moz on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/moz/

    Follow Mike:

    Mike Maynard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaynard/

    Napier website: https://www.napierb2b.com/

    Napier LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/napier-partnership-limited/

    If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to our podcast for more discussions about the latest in Marketing B2B Tech and connect with us on social media to stay updated on upcoming episodes. We'd also appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your favourite podcast platform.

    Want more? Check out Napier’s other podcast - The Marketing Automation Moment: https://podcasts.apple.com/ua/podcast/the-marketing-automation-moment-podcast/id1659211547

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    41 分
  • From Grunt Work to Creativity: Automating Marketing Tasks - Lutra AI
    2024/10/14

    Jiquan Ngiam, Co-Founder and CEO of Lutra AI, discusses his career journey Stanford University to eventually founding Lutra. He shares how Lutra helps streamline workflows by assisting with data prospecting, lead enrichment, and automating repetitive tasks. Jiquan also explores the balance between AI and human creativity in marketing, highlights his vision for making Lutra user-friendly for non-technical users, and encourages listeners to explore its potential for automating their workflows.

    About Lutra AI

    Lutra aims to revolutionise automation and allow users to easily create AI-driven workflows. The platform simplifies complex processes, helping automate tasks and optimise work effortlessly. Whether you're managing data, streamlining operations, or integrating apps, Lutra makes automation accessible to everyone.

    Since its launch, Lutra has been empowering businesses to boost productivity and focus on what matters, eliminating the barriers of traditional workflow tools and delivering a seamless automation experience.

    About Jiquan Ngiam

    Jiquan Niam is the CEO and Co-Founder of Lutra, an innovative automation platform. Before founding Lutra, Jiquan was a key contributor at Google Brain and studied at Stanford University where he achieved a PHD in Computer Science.

    Jiquan Niam is a driving force behind AI-driven automation and is passionate about making advanced technology accessible to all.

    Time Stamps

    [00:00:18] - Jiquan provides some background to his career and why he founded Lutra.

    00:02:44] - Overview of Lutra’s Purpose and Functionality

    [00:09:36] - Enhancing Marketing Efforts with Timely Data

    [00:15:16] - User-Friendly Interface and Accessibility

    [00:20:23] - Marketing Strategy: Product-Led Growth Approach

    [00:23:27] - The Future of Marketing Roles with AI

    [00:26:19] - Advice for Young Marketers: Embrace Technology

    [00:28:30]- How to Get Started with Lutra

    Quotes

    “I felt like education was this new superpower that I could give people.” Jiquan Ngiam, co-founder and CEO of Lutra

    "AI will not replace you, but a person who's using AI really well is going to do a lot more than you." Jiquan Ngiam, co-founder and CEO of Lutra

    "Help the team understand, investing into understanding this technology and using it... It's going to be potentially very game-changing." Jiquan Ngiam, co-founder and CEO of Lutra

    Follow Jiquan:

    Jiquan Ngiam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jngiam/

    Lutra AI website: https://lutra.ai/

    Lutra AI on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/lutra-ai/

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    Mike Maynard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaynard/

    Napier website: https://www.napierb2b.com/

    Napier LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/napier-partnership-limited/

    If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to our podcast for more discussions about the latest in Marketing B2B Tech and connect with us on social media to stay updated on upcoming episodes. We'd also appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your favourite podcast platform.

    Want more? Check out Napier’s other podcast - The Marketing Automation Moment: https://podcasts.apple.com/ua/podcast/the-marketing-automation-moment-podcast/id1659211547

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  • The reality of 3D printing: overhyped or a true game changer? – Forward AM
    2024/10/02

    Mike is joined by Alexander Levitt, Head of Marketing at Forward AM, previously part of BASF's 3D printing division. With 15 years of experience in marketing, Alex shares insights into his career journey, the evolution of 3D printing, and the challenges and opportunities that come with marketing in a niche industry.

    He discusses whether 3D printing is overhyped, core marketing and applications for Forward AM, and strategies for marketing across different industries.

    About BASF Forward AM

    Forward AM provides 3D printing solutions across the entire Additive Manufacturing value chain from consultancy, development and innovative design, through digital simulation and prototype printing, to finishing and exhaustive component testing.

    Forward AM traces its origins to BASF 3D Printing Solutions GmbH, which was founded by BASF New Business GmbH in 2017. In 2024, BASF 3D Printing Solutions GmbH was transformed into Forward AM Technologies.

    Time Stamps

    00:00:34 - Alex's Career Journey

    00:00:45 - The Evolution of 3D Printing

    00:04:51 - Core Markets for Forward AM

    00:08:45 - Balancing Brand Building and Lead Generation

    00:10:33 - Challenges of Transitioning from BASF

    00:15:24 - Tactical Approaches to Lead Generation

    00:22:31 - Future Trends in B2B Marketing

    00:24:42 - Final Thoughts and Advice for Marketers

    00:27:41 - How to Connect with Alex Levitt

    Follow Alexander:

    Alexander Levit on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexander-levit/

    Swell AI website: https://forward-am.com/

    Swell AI on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/basf-forwardam/

    Follow Mike:

    Mike Maynard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaynard/

    Forward AM website: https://www.napierb2b.com/

    Forward AM LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/napier-partnership-limited/

    If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to our podcast for more discussions about the latest in Marketing B2B Tech and connect with us on social media to stay updated on upcoming episodes. We'd also appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your favourite podcast platform.

    Want more? Check out Napier’s other podcast - The Marketing Automation Moment: https://podcasts.apple.com/ua/podcast/the-marketing-automation-moment-podcast/id1659211547

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    29 分
  • Interview with Cody Schneider - Swell AI
    2024/09/23

    Cody Schneider, co-founder and CEO of Swell AI, shares his journey to founding a company that uses AI for content generation. He discusses the evolution of Swell AI, which transforms audio and video content into other formats such as blog posts and emphasises the importance of using human-generated content when prompting AI to create unique and high-quality outputs.

    Cody highlights the importance of building a sustainable marketing strategy, the impact of AI on content creation, and the necessity of reaching audiences through multiple channels. He also offers insights into effective marketing tactics, including the use of podcasts and social media, while encouraging aspiring marketers to embrace technical skills and practical experience in their careers.

    About Swell AI

    Swell AI is an AI-powered platform designed to streamline content creation for podcasts, helping creators automate the process of generating show notes, transcriptions, and summaries.

    By leveraging advanced natural language processing and machine learning algorithms, Swell AI transforms audio into structured, written content, making it easier for podcasters to engage their audience, enhance SEO, and save time.

    The platform is particularly useful for podcasters who want to focus on content creation while automating the more tedious aspects of post-production. Swell AI is ideal for independent podcasters, production teams, and agencies looking to scale their podcasting efforts efficiently.

    About Cody Schneider

    Cody Schneider is an innovative inventor who uses AI to refine digital processes. As the CEO of Draft Horse AI and Swell AI, he’s known for creating tools that streamline content workflows and deliver faster results. With experience in rapidly scaling startups, Cody helps turn organisational challenges into efficient, automated solutions.

    Time Stamps

    [00:00:41] - Cody's Career Journey

    [00:02:38] - The Origin of Swell AI

    [00:06:45] - The Value of Human-Generated Content

    [00:10:57] - Accessibility of Swell AI for Users

    [00:14:28] - Future of AI in Marketing Tasks

    [00:20:09] - Cody's Marketing Strategies for Swell AI

    [00:25:55] - Best Marketing Advice Received

    [00:26:13] - Advice for Aspiring Marketers

    [00:29:01] - Conclusion and Contact Information

    Quotes

    “We realized that podcasts, especially in the B2B world, were this incredible tool to create media on a regular cadence… Podcasts are one of the most effective sales tools that exist currently.” Cody Schneider, Co-Founder and CEO of Swell AI.

    Follow Cody:

    Cody Schneider on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/codyxschneider/

    Swell AI website: https://www.swellai.com/

    Swell AI on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/swell-ai/

    Follow Mike:

    Mike Maynard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaynard/

    Napier website: https://www.napierb2b.com/

    Napier LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/napier-partnership-limited/

    If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to our podcast for more discussions about the latest in Marketing B2B Tech and connect with us on social media to stay updated on upcoming episodes. We'd also appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your favourite podcast platform.

    Want more? Check out Napier’s other podcast - The Marketing Automation Moment: https://podcasts.apple.com/ua/podcast/the-marketing-automation-moment-podcast/id1659211547

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  • Interview with Suzi McNicholas - Johnson Controls
    2024/09/10

    Suzi McNicholas, Director of Marketing for Residential & Light Commercial HVAC at Johnson Controls, discusses her career in B2B technology marketing. She talks about how marketing in the industrial sector has changed, the challenges of getting stakeholders to understand what marketing really is, and what B2B companies can learn from consumer marketing.

    About Johnson Controls

    Johnson Controls transforms the environments where people live, work, learn and play. As a global leader in smart, healthy and sustainable buildings, Johnson Controls’ mission is to reimagine the performance of buildings to serve people, places and the planet.

    Building on a history of nearly 140 years of innovation, Johnson Controls deliver the blueprint of the future for industries such as healthcare, schools, data centers, airports, stadiums, manufacturing and beyond through OpenBlue, a comprehensive digital offering.

    About Suzi McNicholas

    Suzi McNicholas is Director of Marketing for Residential & Light Commercial HVAC at Johnson Controls. She leads the marketing team to support new product introductions and integrated marketing campaigns.

    She has a 25+ year career in progressive B2B marketing roles including digital marketing campaigns, lead generation, branding, public relations, new product introductions, content creation, events, communications, and budget management. Prior to joining Johnson Controls, McNicholas built an integrated marketing team at Honeywell in the Industrial Safety Products division.

    McNicholas holds a Bachelor of Arts in English from Presbyterian College in Clinton, SC and a Post-Graduate degree in English and American Literature from the University of Hull in England. She currently resides in Charlotte, NC.

    Time Stamps

    [00:47.5] – Suzi discusses her 25+ year career in marketing.

    [05:32.7] – What are the differences to marketing to a channel partner versus an end user?

    [08:55.3] – How do you manage short term and long term goals? Suzi discusses.

    [13:28.2] – Suzi discusses how audiences reliance on sales is shifting.

    [15:31:9] – Suzi talks about what she sees being the biggest changes in marketing over the next five years.

    [18:50.8] – Suzi shares some advice to those looking to get into marketing.

    [19:58.8] – Suzi’s contact details.

    Quotes

    “Don’t get emotionally attached to the outcome because your budget’s going to get cut… maybe your campaign isn’t going the way you’d want it to… that’s ok, you’re going to learn from what’s happening… you’re going to spend a whole lot of time frustrated and upset if you’re emotionally attached to these outcomes.” Suzi McNicholas, Director of Marketing for Residential & Light Commercial HVAC at Johnson Controls.

    “People aren’t going to buy until they’re ready, and that 70% of the time that they’re spending before reaching out is research.” Suzi McNicholas, Director of Marketing for Residential & Light Commercial HVAC at Johnson Controls.

    Follow Suzi:

    Suzi McNicholas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/suzimcnicholas/

    Johnson Controls website: https://www.johnsoncontrols.com/

    Johnson Controls on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/johnson-controls/

    Follow Mike:

    Mike Maynard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaynard/

    Napier website: https://www.napierb2b.com/

    Napier LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/napier-partnership-limited/

    If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to our podcast for more discussions about the latest in Marketing B2B Tech and connect with us on social media to stay updated on upcoming episodes. We'd also appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your favourite podcast platform.

    Want more? Check out Napier’s other podcast - The Marketing Automation Moment: https://podcasts.apple.com/ua/podcast/the-marketing-automation-moment-podcast/id1659211547

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  • Interview with John Harrison - Schaffner
    2024/09/05
    John Harrison, UK Managing Director and Global VP of Marketing at Schaffner, a global company specialising in providing solutions for EMC and power quality, joins the latest episode of the Marketing B2B Technology podcast. In the episode, John discusses the challenges and benefits of balancing two job roles and emphasises the importance of aligning sales and marketing to strengthen the brand and drive sales. He believes in leading with a forward thinking approach, understanding customer needs, and staying ahead of industry trends, particularly in the niche area of EMC. About Schaffner Schaffner plays a vital role in building a sustainable future in the new era of electrification. Headquartered in Switzerland and with subsidiaries around the world, Schaffner is a global leader in electromagnetic solutions that ensure the efficient and reliable operation of electronic systems. The Schaffner Group are experts in EMC filter solutions, harmonic filters, electromagnetic components and electromagnetic solutions. Our passionate and knowledgeable employees empower our customers to develop reliable electronic devices and systems that meet compliance standards and deliver increased energy efficiency. This is how we deliver… MORE POWER TO YOU. About John Harrison John Harrison joined Schaffner in April 2022. He is the UK MD and Global VP Marketing. He has spent 25 years in the electronics industry primarily within the connector space for Molex. John has extensive international experience having lived and worked across Europe and the US, covering a range of markets from Industrial to transportation. His most recent experience prior to Schaffner was within the IOT space for Ramtech heading up their Global Marketing and Sales activities. John is passionate about EV and increasing speed of adoption across the globe. Time Stamps [00:43:0] – John provides some background to his career. [03:30.8] – John discusses how he manages the demands of both the UK Managing Director role and Global VP of Marketing role. [05:04:7] – John shares his views on whether he thinks marketing and sales should be closer together or not. [06:05:2] – John talks about what he’s looking for from marketing to make the role of MD more successful. [13:38:9] – John shares his approach of trying to get salespeople, marketing people and engineers working more closely. [19:31:0] – John talks about how he sees his role changing with technology over the next five years. [20:49:1] – John shares some advice to those looking to get into marketing. Quotes “Marketing and sales need to be closer together. The ultimate aim for both is to drive more customers and value for the brand. We need to focus on the customer’s needs, whether it’s through direct interaction or brand messaging.” John Harrison, UK Managing Director and Global VP of Marketing at Schaffner. “From a sales perspective, it’s not just about leads. It’s about ensuring the brand is seen as a partner and thought leader, especially in specialised areas like EMC.” John Harrison, UK Managing Director and Global VP of Marketing at Schaffner. “It’s crucial to put yourself in the customer’s shoes. If a piece of marketing material doesn’t resonate with the customer, it’s not effective. Marketing should be about creating content that truly addresses the customer’s needs.” John Harrison, UK Managing Director and Global VP of Marketing at Schaffner Follow John: John Harrison on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-harrison-3552ba14/ Schaffner website: https://www.schaffner.com/ Schaffner on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/schaffner-gruppe/ Follow Mike: Mike Maynard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaynard/ Napier website: https://www.napierb2b.com/ Napier LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/napier-partnership-limited/ If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to our podcast for more discussions about the latest in Marketing B2B Tech and connect with us on social media to stay updated on upcoming episodes. We'd also appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your favourite podcast platform. Want more? Check out Napier’s other podcast - The Marketing Automation Moment: https://podcasts.apple.com/ua/podcast/the-marketing-automation-moment-podcast/id1659211547
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    25 分