Zach sits down with Ron and Catrina, a married couple behind the YouTube music show Covers on the Spot, to find out what happens when you treat a relationship like a live recording session. Ron is the creative director and host of the show, where bands are given a song they have never heard and tasked with covering it in a single day. Catrina is a graphic designer on the same media team at Musora and the quieter half of a pairing that, by their own description, sounds like "something harmonic." Together, they have three kids, a shared workplace, and a relationship built on aligned values and very different processing speeds.

Using a "covers on the spot" framework for the conversation, Zach gives Ron and Catrina relationship prompts and asks them to riff. What comes out is a candid look at how they handle conflict, protect their time together, and keep choosing each other through the daily grind of parenting and working side by side. Catrina is open about her tendency toward passive aggression and the work she is doing to change it. Ron talks honestly about learning to stop "winning" arguments and start listening instead. One of the most striking moments comes when Catrina says their relationship at its best sounds like silence: quiet, smooth, still moving.

Zach ties it all together with a Ben Folds story about orchestras resolving dissonance, not just difference, and drops one of his signature reframes: repair is more important than resolve. This is an episode for anyone who has ever stayed up until 2 a.m. trying to fix something with their partner and wondered if there was a better way.

Key Takeaways

• Winning the argument is not the same thing as being right about the relationship
• Giving your partner time to process is not waiting. It is participating.
• A relationship is not something you find. It is something you build with someone who wants to build with you.
• Repair is more important than resolve. You can go to bed without solving it and still be okay.
• Protecting your time together matters more than filling your calendar with activity
• The best relationships keep evolving their sound. What worked five years ago may not be the song you need now.
• Constraints (kids, time, fatigue) can actually sharpen how a couple communicates, not just limit it
• Vulnerability is daring to be fully honest with someone, not just showing them the version of yourself you think they want

Guest Info

• Ron (Catrina's husband): Producer and host of Covers on the Spot, a YouTube music show where bands cover a song they have never heard in a single day. Former high school musical theater teacher. Based in Chilliwack, British Columbia.
• Catrina (Ron's wife): Graphic designer at Musora. Handles YouTube thumbnails, Instagram assets, and physical product design. Former theater student (played Ariel in The Tempest). Self-described introvert.
• They have three children.
• They started dating January 1, 2011 after being friends since high school.
• Covers on the Spot: YouTube Playlist
• Musora (music lessons platform): musora.com

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Zach sits down with Natalie and Dan Slagle, a married couple and co-founders of Fyooz Financial Planning, to explore why money is one of the most charged—and revealing—topics in relationships.

Despite being financial professionals, Natalie and Dan found themselves running into the same conflicts as the couples they serve. The issue wasn’t knowledge. It was meaning.

They describe how two people can look at the exact same number—$2,700 spent this month—and experience it completely differently. For Natalie, it can trigger scarcity and concern about staying within limits. For Dan, it can represent flexibility and confidence that everything will be okay. Same number. Different story.

The conversation explores how those differences are rooted in early experiences: Natalie learning at a young age to separate “needs” from “wants” and take responsibility for the latter, while Dan grew up in a household where generosity and gift-giving shaped his relationship to money.

Zach helps reframe the tension: the problem isn’t who’s right—it’s that couples often don’t realize they’re talking about different contexts entirely. One partner may be thinking about this month’s budget, while the other is thinking about long-term security.

Natalie and Dan share the simple but powerful practice that changed everything for them: regular, structured money conversations. By sitting down together—often in a public space to keep things grounded—and asking each other how they feel about the numbers, they’ve been able to move from assumption to alignment.

The conversation expands beyond finances into time, parenting, and partnership—especially as they navigate building a business together while raising a young child. From learning how to “clock out” of work to intentionally creating space to miss each other again, Natalie and Dan offer a practical and honest look at what it takes to stay connected in a shared life.

This episode is a reminder that money problems are rarely about money—they’re about meaning, communication, and learning how to build a shared vision.

Key Takeaways

• The same financial number can mean completely different things to each partner
• Money is measurable, which makes conflict around it more intense
• Financial behaviors are deeply shaped by childhood experiences
• Assumptions—not numbers—are often the real source of conflict
• Structured conversations reduce anxiety and increase alignment
• Talking about how you feel about money matters as much as the math
• Household values should guide how money is spent
• Separation (work, space, roles) can increase connection in relationships

Guest Info

Natalie & Dan Slagle

Natalie and Dan are a married couple and co-founders of Fyooz Financial Planning, a firm focused on helping couples align their finances with their values and life goals. Their work sits at the intersection of financial strategy and relational dynamics—helping couples not just manage money, but communicate about it effectively.

• Website: https://www.fyoozfinancial.com/
• Free consultations available nationwide (U.S.-based clients)

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Zach sits down with Hazel Grace and Nico for a wide-ranging conversation about polyamory, relational integrity, and what it actually takes to repair after conflict.

Hazel Grace, a relationship coach and educator with a PhD in human sexuality, and Nico, a lumberjack and self-described relationship nerd, share how they’ve built a deeply intentional partnership within a polyamorous relationship structure. They unpack common misconceptions about polyamory—especially the idea that it’s simply about sexual freedom—and explain how their approach is rooted in responsibility, communication, and care for the entire relational ecosystem.

Zach asks about Hazel Grace’s framework called The Art of Repair. Drawing from their own childhood experiences, decades of personal healing, and years of coaching couples, They outline a clear process for navigating relational ruptures and restoring trust.

Through a real-life example involving a broken ankle and an emotional reaction that escalated quickly, Hazel Grace and Nico demonstrate how repair actually works in practice: pausing to regulate, developing empathy, seeking permission to talk, acknowledging what happened, naming the impact, and then rebuilding integrity.

The conversation is a powerful reminder that conflict is inevitable in relationships—but repair is a skill anyone can learn.

Key Takeaways

• Polyamory isn’t about unlimited freedom; it requires responsibility for the impact of your choices
• Relationships don’t come with fixed rules—you can design agreements that fit the people involved
• Many people mistake “no conflict” for healthy relationships, but avoiding conflict can limit emotional intimacy
• Repair begins with regulation, not explanation
• Empathy for both self and partner is essential before attempting repair
• Asking permission to have a repair conversation creates safety and consent
• Understanding each person’s experience matters more than determining who was “right”
• Repair restores trust through acknowledgment, empathy, and concrete actions

Guest Info

Hazel Grace, PhD

Hazel Grace is a relationship and intimacy coach specializing in relational healing, sexuality, and communication. They teach workshops and courses on relationship repair and works with individuals and couples to develop deeper intimacy and emotional connection.

• Website: https://drhazelgrace.com
• Workshops: Northern California & Colorado
• Courses: Online self-paced programs on The Art of Repair

Nico

Nico is a sawyer—running a mobile sawmill business where he mills lumber directly on clients’ properties. In the winter he works in snow removal in the mountains. He also collaborates with Hazel Grace in relationship workshops and educational programs.

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