The guys look at the mess that is the New York Giants. Daniel Jones is gone, the team is still awful, and real questions are being asked of the Head Coach and GM. Is the Giants ship fully under water?

The guys look at thee pathetic team showing in Germany. It was more of the same with an inability to stop the run and an offense that put up 17 point in an Overtime game against a Carolina defense that surrenders 32 points on average.

Interceptions, fumbles, missed Field Goals and questionable play-calling all chipped in to move the Giants to 2-8 on the season.

The guys look at Tuesdays deadline and what it could mean for Big Blue. GM Joe Schoen and Head Coach Brian Daboll were given the vote of confidence from John Mara. History tells us that means very little, but how active the Giants are at the deadline could give insight to the regimes ob security.

Azeez Oulari and Darius Slayton are top potential trade pieces, but the compensatory equation plays its part in the moves the Giants do or do not make as well. There is certainly a "no one is untouchable" vibe for OGP - but how about a surprise trade of Jason Pinnock or veteran LB Bobby Okereke?

The guys look at everything that led to the Giants loss on Sunday at home. A stretch in the second quarter all but spelled their doom and the Giants gave up 14 points on back to back scoring drives with a one minute three and out of their own sandwiched in-between.

To read the box score tells one story but Giants fans have read this script all season.

The Giants are 2-6 but still. find themselves in the 9th slot of next years draft. The guys look at how the fanbase may need to slow down the automatic QB Draft plan, and use how tricky it is to balance losing while convincing owner ship this is the right regime going forward.

The guys look at the penalties, the coaching, the poor execution and ultimately the loss on the road for Big Blue.

The guys look at what could be the final game. for Daniel Jones as a starter