Because the Paratopia podcast just wasn't enough, Paratopia Live was born. Here Jeff Ritzmann, Jeremy Vaeni, and the official unofficial third host, Lee Townsend, talk about their high strangeness experiences and take calls live!

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Dr. Tyler Kokjohn, now-retired Professor of Microbiology at Midwestern University and Project Core researcher, joins Jeff & Jer to talk about the latest developments in sci tech that will once and for all tell us whether there are alien hybrids, starseed, and Indigo children among us. Also, he talks about his time at his first UFO conference over the weekend, the UFO Congress in Arizona.

But most intriguing of all, he speaks candidly about his being a reformed debunker and gives us some real insights into the mind of the “nasty, noisy negativists,” as Stan Friedman was fond of saying. That, and a whole lot more including the limits of science, the near-death experience, the mysteries of consciousness, and helping Jeff gather evidence from his paranormal encounters. That's a lot of description because there's a lot here on this special, extensive interview! (originally aired 03.01.2012)

How do we arrive at authority sources for topics of Mystery where, frankly, the alleged authority figure could be lying or nuts? Speaking of nuts, can the paranormal or the spiritual drive an experiencer insane? Is host Jeremy Vaeni lying or nuts? If not, how did he pull through unscathed? How can we have real discernment in any of this? This is more of Tom Cheetham and Jeremy Vaeni in dialogue. And this conversation is framed around Jeffrey J. Kripal's new book, How To Think Impossibly.

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