In this compelling two-part interview with renowned attorney Bryan Stevenson, founder and Executive Director of the Equal Justice Initiative, we discuss the stark disparities within the criminal justice system. Stevenson shares his insights on how racial bias and economic status impact our U.S. justice system and create different realities for the "haves" and the "have-nots."

He highlights the critical need for public defenders and the role lawyers play in creating hope and challenging injustice. He questions why, despite a surplus of lawyers, many people of color and the poor still lack adequate representation. We also explore the harsh realities faced by defendants on death row and the broader implications of poverty as a barrier to equal justice.

Stevenson, a leading voice in the fight for equal justice, discusses the historical context of racial bias, from the use of lynching to intimidate African Americans to the indifference shown when "bad" individuals commit violent crimes. Stevenson emphasizes the importance of redirecting resources to prevent violence through education and intervention, urging a more responsible and complex approach, as the political expediency of promising punishment doesn't limit victimization.

With a wealth of experience, including multiple victories at the United States Supreme Court and major legal challenges against unfair sentencing, Stevenson provides a powerful perspective on the ongoing struggle for equality in the criminal justice system. His work has led to significant legal and social reforms. From founding the Legacy Museum and the National Memorial for Peace and Justice to authoring the critically acclaimed book "Just Mercy," Bryan Stevenson's impact is profound and far-reaching.

This is an unforgettable conversation about justice for all in the U.S.