In this episode, Rev. Peggy is joined on the stoop by Brother Zachary Stevens-Walter, a Catholic priest and Franciscan brother who also serves as a chaplain at Community Church of New York.

Rev. Peggy and Br. Zachary discuss the importance of authenticity in ministry, as well as the unique challenges and opportunities of serving a multicultural spiritual community in midtown Manhattan. They explore the concept of church as a place of comfort and learning, and the need to break open traditional models of church to build a new world. They also touch on the role of suffering in the church and the importance of affirmation versus mere acceptance.

"Acceptance is necessary for us to live together. Affirmation is spiritual healing." - Brother Zachary

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