You may be familiar with Craig DeMartino as a climber and heard the story. It often begins at the point that he goes climbing in 2002 and takes a 100 foot fall into a tree and hits the ground. What followed the horrific accident was months of physical and emotional ups-and-downs, fused vertebrae in both his back and neck, and eventually the amputation of the lower portion of his right leg. 

But it is what's occurred in the years that have followed that we wanted to talk about. Craig is a climber, a husband, a dad, a coach and mentor. 

On any given day you might find Craig and his wife Cyndy traveling to a far-off Puerto Rican cliff or sessioning at the local gym. Or you might encounter Craig coaching a group of veterans on the best way to stay engaged in climbing movement as a means to manage PTSD. 

And while Craig is not your "average climber" (he's a professional with multiple sponsors) at his core he is still: a climber at heart. 

We are back with a very conversational episode that is about a little bit of everything; from mask wearing policy to pottery and everything in between. As with other Interlude episodes we catch-up on what we've been watching and listening to.

David Bizarro: musician, graphics artist, illustrator, puppeteer, filmmaker, baker, fashion designer.  Bizarro is a little bit of everything...and still evolving.  Bizarro talks about the influences of his family and friends, of living in OKC, meeting his wife and their move to NYC.

David's interests eventually led him to puppeteering and working for The Jim Henson Company - most notably with Sesame Street. Who else can say they have been pranked by Snuffleupagus?

Throughout it all David has learned to, "embrace the mistakes," and keep moving forward.

Links referred to in the episode: Mackie Neckbone (podcast), Student Film (former band), Star Death and White Dwarfs (band), Christmas on Mars (Wayne Coyne Film), The Not In Here Story (book), The Pit (animated film), David Bizarro's Instagram.