This time, Jordan calls up John and they talk about Yentl, a 1983 movie directed, co-written, co-produced by, and starring Barbra Streisand, about a 19th-century Jewish girl who disguises herself as a man in order to study the Talmud. It's a drama and a romance and a musical (sort of) and Jordan loves it unconditionally. John asks "Why?"

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John calls up Jordan and they talk about Dune... and why that movie has one of the greatest casts of actors ever. Seriously, just a murderer's row of incredible, grizzled character actors. Jordan and John take a moment to shout out Alec Guinness

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John calls up Jordan and they talk about Dune…and movie merchandise, specifically toys. Jordan also gets John to talk about his most prized possession: the infamous and unintentionally erotic Sandworm toy from Dune.

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John calls up Jordan and they talk about Dune... and science-fiction utopias. John shares his theory about how Captain Kirk is connected to Dune. Jordan is a huge fan of Star Trek and he listens, patiently.

• John and Jordan will be back on January 6, 2021, to continue the conversation.
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John calls up Jordan and they talk about Dune… and why it’s his favorite movie of all time. Jordan also shares his thoughts on Mel Brooks, the comedy legend who is indirectly responsible for Dune.

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A friend is someone who will watch a movie with you. A best friend is someone who picks up the phone even they know their friend is obsessed with a movie and just wants to talk about it. That’s award-winning essayist John DeVore, the world’s biggest fan of David Lynch’s 1984 sci-fi masterpiece Dune. The friend he calls is renowned film critic Jordan Hoffman, who picks up the phone even though he knows better.

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