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  • Trailer: The Hair Pillow

    Trailer: The Hair Pillow
    2024/02/15

    It's time to talk about rowing culture.

    We will open the creaky doors of boathouses in Seattle, Dublin, Aberdeen (UK) and Oxford. We'll talk about rowing culture, glory, honor, power and privilege. Who belongs? Who doesn't? This isn't The Boys in the Boat.

    Music: Gone Goofy, by The Sixteen Wheelers (Epidemic)

    Article: Megan Sheppard, Seattle Time, November 25, 2008

    https://www.seattletimes.com/entertainment/it-all-started-in-the-seattle-area-for-es-king-of-snark-joel-mchale/

    Thank you to the University of Aberdeen Alumni for photo permission.


    Keywords: Rowing, University of Aberdeen, University of Washington, Oxford Rowing, team culture, rowing culture, high performance teams, Oxford Brookes, St Andrews, Social Mobility, Class conflict, hazing
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  • 1: When George Clooney came to town

    1: When George Clooney came to town
    2024/02/18

    When George Clooney came to town, the rowing communities both here and Britain were having some pretty serious conversations about rowing culture. Did George or MGM Amazon know? Does it matter?

    Trevor Lensmeier, Moira MacDonald, "George Clooney talks 'Boys in the Boat' on the Seattle 'red' carpet," The Seattle Times, December 8, 2023.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/entertainment/movies/watch-george-clooney-talks-boys-in-the-boat-on-seattle-red-carpet/

    Gus Garcia-Roberts, "A coach accused, again and again," The Washington Post, July 13, 2023

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2023/07/13/conal-groom-rowing-coach-allegations/

    Music: Gone Goofy, by The Sixteen Wheelers (Epidemic)

    Keywords: Rowing, University of Aberdeen, University of Washington, Oxford Rowing, team culture, rowing culture, high performance teams, Oxford Brookes, St Andrews, Social Mobility, Class conflict, hazing, Culture mystery
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  • 2: Ethics and Content Warning

    2: Ethics and Content Warning
    2024/02/19

    Listener -

    Some of these stories will be fun - Some may not be. These stories span a lot of humans, and thus the human experience. We will cover history on both sides of the atlantic and talk to people from many different crews. It is possible that we will discuss: Sexual Assault, Racial conflict, Hazing and Attempted Suicide.

    If these topics are harmful for you to listen to, please sit this series out. There are so many other fun podcasts to listen to. It can be hard to remember this for some rowers, but rowing is just a sport after all.

    - JB

    Music: Gone Goofy, by The Sixteen Wheelers (Epidemic)


    Keywords: Rowing, University of Aberdeen, University of Washington, Oxford Rowing, team culture, rowing culture, high performance teams, Oxford Brookes, St Andrews, Social Mobility, Class conflict, hazing, Culture mystery

    Transcript:

    Before we get started, We need to talk about safety and ethics.

    I'm not sure exactly where some of these stories will end up as they are still unfolding. Some of these stories I tell because they are triumphant, hilarious or provide insight to the cult-like world of rowing. But some of these stories are tough. These stories do span a 50 year time period, 4 nations, 9 different crews, and a lot of human beings. We will almost certainly talk about sex, hazing, racial conflict, sexual assault and attempted suicide. When possible I will avoid gory details, because I just don't want to go there. It's my podcast. If these topics are hurtful to you, please sit this out. This is just a sport, after all.
    If you are the kind of person who reads content warnings to find out if things get exciting.... well... I will throw in organized crime, drugs, and guns.

    I mean well when I ask the questions I ask, and I realize that talking about culture and loyalty can be complicated and uncomfortable. Rowing is a multi-generation affair for many of us. Sometimes rowing has been a part of our careers and our families. Mine included. At the same time, if it's part of the story and public knowledge I'm not going to step around it. There are some great histories written about rowing. My hope is that these stories and the questions I ask will add to the conversation and maybe even be helpful to someone.

    There are stories I would like to tell very much. They are not mine. and it is too soon to tell them. Some stories are asking to be told and it's important that we talk about them. And some of the other stories I feel an urgency to at least record them. We won't all be around forever.

    And if you are a US college rower from the 90's and worried that I will unleash a personal me too revelation, don't worry. When I was in college boy rowers were way too intimidating for me so I stayed clear. And I only have fond memories of the times we crossed paths. If you have regrets about hooking up with a rower back in the day it wasn't this one.
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  • 4: The Cocoon: Andrew Bagley Interview Part 1.

    4: The Cocoon: Andrew Bagley Interview Part 1.
    2024/05/01

    Andrew Bagley talks about his experience learning to row, as well as coaching teens. This is worth a listen if you are a rowing parent, or have thought of rowing yourself.

    The Amateurs: The Story of Four Young Men and Their Quest for an Olympic Gold Medal. David Halberstam

    Assault on Lake Casitas. Brad Alan Lewis.

    Music: Gone Goofy, by The Sixteen Wheelers (Epidemic)

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    30 分
  • 5: Scuttlebutt: Andrew Bagley Interview Part 2

    5: Scuttlebutt: Andrew Bagley Interview Part 2
    2024/05/17

    Andrew and I talk rowing scuttlebutt - The kind of chats you might have around a campfire or at a backyard barbeque. Andrew explains lightweight rowing to me and why it's more fun to watch. We talk about American football, the spectacular opportunities for college women and why the boys are in the quonset hut. We chat about whether or not hiring a rower as a management consultant is a good idea. Andrew is constructive and interesting. I sound a little snarky.

    Keywords: University of Alabama, Husky Football, University of Washington, Lightweight rowing, Quonset hut.
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  • 6: Joel McHale Interview Part 1. Joel pokes The Bear: Why Husky Football Culture is better than Husky Rowing Culture.

    6: Joel McHale Interview Part 1. Joel pokes The Bear: Why Husky Football Culture is better than Husky Rowing Culture.
    2024/07/13
    Joel McHale has been poking the bear for years.... If you consider UW Rowing, The Bear. Joel rowed at the University of Washington for three months in the early 90s. I've noticed his little "pokes" in local news articles and guest commentary during football games. My experience was very different from Joels. I loved rowing at the U. But I was curious. So Joel and I talked, a lot longer than we planned to. In part 1 of this episode, Joel explains why football culture is better than rowing culture. University of Washington Hazing Compliance Report: https://www.washington.edu/hazingprevention/hazing-prevention/compliance-report/ Sam's Law: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/new-law-inspired-by-wsu-students-death-stiffens-penalties-for-hazing/ Music: Gone Surfing, by Sixteen Wheelers (Epidemic) Pardon My Gun, by Roy Edwin Williams (Epidemic) The Fight, by Amos Noah (Epidemic) Transcript: Jen If you have teens or college kids in sports, this is a good one to play in the car. My kids and I talked a lot after this one. Of course, maybe they paid attention more because they think our guest is so much cooler than I am. At the same time, you've been warned there is a ton of swearing. It's your call Joel Oh, we were all we're doing we have a target and that target is the USC Trojan and we are we will be we will eat and drink their blood if we need to win. And that's where I learned how to really work really go oh, I can this is how this is how you get shit done. He was he basically was like, Yeah, I can't we gotta get the hazing really is. He's like the hazing is really fallen off. I gotta go there and you know, step it up. And I was what? Oh, whoa. I was like, Oh, so you're an infected Dick as well? Jen: What goes on behind those creaky old boathouse doors? Who's invited and who feels comfortable? Who's safe and who thrives? Who stays and why do some leave? And why do rowers do some of the weird things they do? Let's talk about rowing culture. And this time, let's do it from the perspective of the third boat. I'm Jen Butler. This is the Third Boat Podcast. Jen: Today we're going to talk about the old college, gridiron and toss some pigskin. Okay, I really know next to nothing about football. Except that of course in America football is a religion. It's really big deal. And today we get to hear Joel McHale talk about his experiences going from rowing to football. Jen: You may have seen Joel in the show Community, which now has a cult following amongst teenagers. He is also in the bear playing a total jerk of a chef. I did not see Joel in The Bear before recording this. If I had I don't know if I could have gone through the interview. He is terrifying in that show. If you've seen Joel in the Bear as the Asshole Chef, you will understand. I am so glad I hadn't seen it before. And kind of an awkward segue. Joel McHale has been publicly poking the bear for years. The bear in this case is U DUB rowing. I was at the U when Joel was and our time with the boathouse overlapped by three months. I thought hey, okay, Joel I'll bite. I don't think the bear he wants to provoke, but I was curious. But first, I have a little update for you. While I was prepping for this interview, I noticed that both the U DUB men's and the YouTube women's rowing teams were listed on a hazing compliance report for hazing freshmen last fall and a little background if you're not from Washington State. About five years ago, Sam Martinez, a young man of Washington State University died due to an alcohol hazing incident. Sam's parents channeled their grief into advocacy, which led to Sam's law, which is now in effect. This law puts more responsibility on the university's preventing and reporting of hazing. There are also increased legal penalties. For example, substantial bodily harm caused by hazing is now a felony. You could be in jail for up to five years. As part of this law, Washington universities are required to post their hazing compliance report publicly. And I don't know the details of these hazing incidents in particular, but I've included a link to the university's hazing compliance report so you can read it yourself. The men's and women's rowing teams are the only sports teams on this list. The others are fraternities with one sorority back in 2019. As part of remediation, the men's and women's team will have to develop an action plan for changing the current team culture. Good luck kids. Joel: This is exciting. Wait, did you row? Jen: I did. I did. So when you were a freshman, I was in my second year of rowing. Okay, so I was, you know, an experienced I think it would novice than rookie. So that would have been my first varsity Boat Club year. And you would have been a little novice. A baby. Joel: That yes, yes, I didn't last long. Jen: How long did you last? Joel: three months? Jen: Oh, that's longer than I thought. Joel: it was three. Yeah. Starting the summer. And I didn't Yeah, so it was I really Yeah, we you start. ...
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  • 7: Joel McHale Interview Part 2: Rowmerta and the Dawgfather

    7: Joel McHale Interview Part 2: Rowmerta and the Dawgfather
    2024/08/28
    Part 2 of Joel and Jen's conversation on Hazing. Where did it start? We blame the brits. Book: Stephen Fry, Moab is my Washpot, 1997. Music: A Woman's Design is Divine by Blood Red Sun (Epidemic) Music: Gone Surfing, by Sixteen Wheelers (Epidemic)
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  • 8: Welcome to the Red Zone

    8: Welcome to the Red Zone
    2024/10/28
    Note- This was recorded prior to the US Election. - Jen Content Warning: This episode mentions a death by suicide, a death by murder, as well as sexual assault. JRN Staff, Junior Rowing News. September 23, 2024 Sexual Abuse in Sport: An open letter to the rowing community Welcome to the Red Zone. US Resources: If you have thoughts of suicide or need to talk to, please call or text 988 in the US. This number was activated in 2022. https://988lifeline.org/ For victims of sexual violence, contact: https://rainn.org/ or call 800-656-HOPE (4673) British resources: Safeline – https://safeline.org.uk/ The Survivors trust – https://thesurvivorstrust.org/ Women’s Aid – https://www.womensaid.org.uk/womens-aid-directory/ British Rowing - Safeguarding and Protecting Adults Policy, March 2020: https://www.britishrowing.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Safeguarding-Adults-at-Risk-March-2020.pdf Trigger Warning: This one's a downer. It mentions a suicide, and the existence of sexual assault. And I'm going to call Fraternity's frats. You gotta problem with that? Get your own podcast. So this episode is more along the lines of a public service announcement. It's fall, and we're in the red zone. If your kids are off to college, can you check the Sams law Stats on the website of your son's new frat, or assume your daughter is safe in her new boat club in London. Mmmmm I'm not sure it's that simple. Welcome to the red zone. What goes on behind those creaky old boathouse doors? Who's invited and who's safe? Who thrives and why do some leave? And why do rowers do some of the wierd things they do? Let's talk about rowing culture. And this time, let's do it from the perspective of... the third boat. I'm Jen Butler. This is the third boat podcast. Happy Fall everyone. Here in Seattle, the leaves are falling. The rowers are trying to remember where they stored their winter rowing tights. Theta Chi at University of Washington is back up again. This is the frat Joel McHale briefly joined 30 years ago. The Interfraternity Council (the IFC) suspended them for four years when it was determined they had retaliated related to a Title IX case. I had to park next to the house a few times this summer and it was quite a busy renovation but the building and the grounds looks lovely. In addition to their lovely new landscaping, they have a new facebook page. On their facebook page they say 0 Sams Law violations last 5 years. Holy Disengenous metrics Fratman. That Frat was shut down for 4 years for Title IX retaliation. And Sams Law was just signed into law 2 years ago. Theta Chi's other chapter at Washington State University is currently suspended. Luke Tyler, a freshman rushing that frat , died by suicide last year after hazing. Oh I should note that Theta Chi is different from Theta Xi. I had to double check as well, because if you attended the UW in the 90's you probably remember the sheep incident. During Hell Week in 1990 fraternity pledges were found in their skivvies covered in peanut butter with quote "overheated and agitated" sheep. The UW IFC had adopted an anti-hazing policy the year prior after members of Delta Upsilon killed a chicken by dropping it off a balcony in Kane Hall. And now.... The Red Zone. Hey everybody, welcome to the red zone. In american football, the red zone is the distance between the 20 yard line and the goal line. It's where you're more likely to score. And.... in the rest of the college, the red zone denotes the time when you are most likely to hurt someone, or get hurt. This is when hazings happen, and 50% of sexual assault. Freshman are at most risk. Most attacks happen between 12-6 on Saturday or Sunday Morning. Every year. The red zone runs till Thanksgiving in the US, end of term in the UK. So on campuses there is red zone or now green dot training and awareness. Sometimes there are custom made programs. Sometimes they look serious, sometimes they look like they are to minimize liability. There are often workshops, which everyone participates in. Here's what I feel we don't say.... but everyone already right and wrong. Everyone already knows about consent. They know, it can be given, and it can be changed. We already knew that hazing was bad, and women have a right to safety in universities. I thought we all had these discussions a long time ago. And yes, I realize how naive that sounds.. I don't really understand how workshops can help but i'm willing to learn. When I was at University there were take back the night rallies. In Seattle the Home Alive movement began after Mia Zapata of the gits was raped and murdered after leaving her job at the Comet Tavern in Capitol Hill. Women in bands worked together to try to keep each other safe in their unique amazing music world of bars, nightclubs late nights and dark streets. You may have heard some of the music that came from that movement. Seven Year Bitches Album, Viva Zapata is in honor of Mia. If you were at the Ohana Festival in September you ...
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