Kelly and Erin interview their childhood friend, Oscar Ibarra. He is a leader in the army with powerful experiences that have shaped his perspective on chaos. Oscar tells stories of his army career and how he has refined his ability to function in chaos, leading men and women to do hard things while observing and experiencing things out of their control. Hear how Kelly and Erin relate this to their own lives and draw parallels to apply these lessons to themselves.

Whether you're grounded in safety and have a good grasp on life or not, sometimes intentionality and a good risk is all you need to move towards that ideal version of yourself you hope to see in the mirror one day. Erin and Kelly take this episode to look at intentional moments they grasped onto that led to opportunities they had never even fathomed. Sometimes, all it takes is one intentional step forward and you'll find yourself walking through doors you didn't realize you were wanting to open.

Today's episode features our first guest, Don Granger, who is a children's book author, illustrator and artist. Don takes us into what it means to have a growth mindset and offer your art as an act of generosity to the world. You won't want to miss the insight and wisdom he shares in overcoming resistance and viewing our creative work beyond something that is either good or bad.

The Four Foxes Comic Book by Donald Granger
The Magic Show by Donald Granger
The Art of War by Steven Pressfield