Join us for another conversation, Under the Ginkgo Tree, this time with Jordan Jones. Jordan is a minister, theologian, and community organizer. After he completes his Masters of Divinity from Union Theological Seminary this spring, he will continue his faith based organizing and his ministry at Metro Hope Church, a congregation in East Harlem.

In this episode, Jordan shares the wisdom of both Harriet Tubman and Howard Thurman. After escaping slavery, Tubman went on to save over 70 enslaved people on her "trips of mercy.” A leader and a mentor in the civil rights movement, Thurman was a visionary theologian, author, minister, and professor. Jordan considers both Tubman and Thurman to be mystics, and reflects on their crucial contributions to the movement for Black liberation. We also discuss the ways that both figures had an intimate relationship with the land, and we ponder how their witness can guide us in our current reality of ecological catastrophe.