Alison, Liz, and Rebecca are joined by Jenifer McKenna to talk about the billion dollar crisis pregnancy center industry and its role in the anti-abortion movement. They discuss the massive harms caused by these unregulated fake clinics, Jenifer’s work on the first multi-state CPC investigation, and a new approach to exposing their unethical tactics and fighting back.

Show Notes

• Reproductive Health & Freedom Watch

• “Designed to Deceive: A Study of the Crisis Pregnancy Center Industry in Nine States”

• Reproductive Health & Freedom Watch: Recent CPC research and analysis

• • “Why is the billion-dollar unregulated pregnancy clinic industry receiving increasing taxpayer dollars?”

  • “Unregulated Pregnancy Clinic Industry’s Revenue Soars to $1.7 Billion Annually”

  • “Anti-Choice Leaders Are Mobilizing Thousands of Unregulated Pregnancy Clinics Against Abortion Access Ballot Initiatives”

• Jenifer McKenna’s Ms Magazine articles

• • “Anti-Abortion Extremists Are Diverting Tax Dollars to Crisis Pregnancy Centers”

  • “Unregulated Pregnancy Clinics Collect Health Information From Pregnant People—With No Privacy Protection”

  • “Documentary ‘Preconceived’ Exposes Horrors of Crisis Pregnancy Center Industry: ‘I Came to You for Help. Why Did You Lie?’”

• Women’s Law Project

• Gender Justice

• Rewire investigation on LIFElink Carolina

• ”Preconceived” Documentary

Cases

• NIFLA v. Becerra (2018)

• Jane Doe v. Clearway Clinic (2023)

• Four Women Health Services v. Abundant Hope Pregnancy Resource Center (2024)

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Alison, Liz, and Rebecca interview Sarah Posner, author and interviewer. They discuss the evolution of the Christian right, debate how to talk about Christian Nationalism, and break down the sky high stakes of this year’s election.

Show Notes

• Sarah Posner’s Website

• Sarah’s new book: Unholy: How White Christian Nationalists Powered the Trump Presidency, and the Devastating Legacy They Left Behind

• Previous episode on Project 2025

• Anna Bower, Lawfare: “Will Georgia's New Election Rules Allow Trump to Steal the Presidency?”

• Catherine Joyce, Vanity Fair: "Behind the Catholic Right’s Celebrity-Conversion Industrial Complex"

• Previous episode with interview of Christians Against Christian Nationalism’s Amanda Tyler

• Lydia Bean, The Politics of Evangelical Identity

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Alison, Liz, and Rebecca dig into Project 2025, the comprehensive transition project for the next conservative administration. They explain the project and illustrate the throughlines of its policy agenda— Christian nationalist ideology and the obliteration of the separation of church and state.

Background

• SPLC on Alliance Defending Freedom

• Project 2025’s Four Pillars

• • #1: Mandate for Leadership 2025: The Conservative Promise

  • #2: Presidential Personnel Database & Presidential Administration Academy Questionnaire

  • • New York Times (2024) - “A Questionnaire for Applicants to the Next Conservative White House”

  • #3: Presidential Administration Academy

  • • ProPublica (2024) - “Inside Project 2025’s Secret Training Videos”

  • #4: 180-Day Playbook

• Katherine Stewart, The Power Worshippers

• U.S. Department of Education “Dear Colleague Letter”

Resources

• AU’s Project 2025 Hub

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