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  • 685. Decoding Conspiracy Theories: Insights from Business and Behavior Experts with Hayagreeva “Huggy” Rao and Henrich R. Greve
    2026/09/18
    Huggy Rao is the Atholl McBean Professor of Organizational Behavior and Human Resources at Stanford University’s Graduate School of Business and Henrich Greve is the Rudolf and Valeria Maag Chaired Professor in Entrepreneurship at INSEAD. They are also co-authors of the new book Ctrl+Alt+Doubt: Decoding the Language of Online Conspiracy Talk.Greg, Henrich, and Huggy discuss their new book and the language of online conspiracy talk. They describe entering the topic via research on managerial talk, the 1857 Indian mutiny rumor, and pandemic effects on collective action, then the COVID-era “distributed doubt.” Huggy and Henrich define conspiracy theories as elaborate, non-falsifiable narratives where lack of evidence is treated as proof, including “gateway” claims like COVID false positives. Rather than pathologizing believers, they analyze online talk as a social coordination mechanism and cultural toolkit involving bricolage, which is recombining semantically proximate words and narratives, within crowded “rabbit holes.” They propose that platforms shape but don’t determine discourse. For managers, they recommend early rumor monitoring, “prebuttals,” and credibility-preserving communication, noting shrinking executive authority and the risks of manufacturing threat for innovation.*unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:Why should leaders always get ahead of conspiracy theories?40:18 [Henrich R. Greve]: I think an important thing about leaders and organizations is that, I mean, they have the advantage that often the conspiracy theories are initiated by things that they did, all right? Because in society, events just happen, and so conspiracy theories just burst out of the blue. In firms, there is some sort of leadership initiative, and conspiracy theories can be traced back to it. And so, knowing this, there are certain conversations that have to happen before the initiative, during the initiative, just to make sure that there is understanding spread about why is this happening. So, that's the inoculation phase. And actually, it's a privilege of management that they should know that conspiracy can happen whenever something big and unexplained is announced.Conspiracy theories can create communities11:22 [Hayagreeva “Huggy” Rao]: Conspiracy theories are coordination mechanisms for people to engage in the digital commons, so to speak. You don't have pubs and taverns, but you have microblogs and the like, and that's kind of what people do. They use it as a coordination device to create groups and so on and so forth. But the thing that struck us, and we use this imagery, is they're not exactly paranoid.Great leaders awaken pride, not paranoia44:54 [Hayagreeva “Huggy” Rao]: The real job of leaders, and perhaps I'm oversimplifying grossly, is you actually want to make your employees feel capable. If you want to make them feel capable, peddling conspiracy theories is perhaps not the best kind of first step to start with. Instead, what you want them to do is, how can you have an impact? What is it you can do? Those kinds of things become important. And what all of that leads to is actually awakening pride. But before you awaken pride, you have to show that you care for it.Show Links:Recommended Resources:Spanish FluConspiracy TheoryArrow's Impossibility TheoremCognitive DissonanceConsistencyAnn SwidlerBricolageLevi Strauss Pizzagate Conspiracy TheoryMcCarthyismThe Functions of the ExecutiveMatthew RidgwayGuest Profile:Hayagreeva Rao | Faculty Profile at Stanford Business SchoolHayagreeva Rao | LinkedIn ProfileHuggyRao.comHenrich R. Greve | INSEAD ProfileHenrich R. Greve | LinkedIn ProfileHenrichGreve.comGuest Work:Hayagreeva Rao | Amazon Author PageHenrich R. Greve | Amazon Author PageCtrl+Alt+Doubt: Decoding the Language of Online Conspiracy TalkScaling Up Excellence: Getting to More Without Settling for LessThe Friction Project: How Smart Leaders Make the Right Things Easier and the Wrong Things HarderNetwork Advantage: How to Unlock Value From Your Alliances and PartnershipsOrganizational Learning from Performance Feedback: A Behavioral Perspective on Multiple Goals: A Multiple Goals PerspectiveOrganizational Learning from Performance Feedback: A Behavioral Perspective on Innovation and ChangeIf you enjoyed this show, here are some other unSILOed episodes you may like:366: Robert Sutton - Dissecting Workplace Friction: A Deep Dive200: Robert Cialdini - The Golden Age of Persuasion Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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    51 分
  • 684. Picky Eaters of the 20th Century: How Americans Learned to Eat with Helen Zoe Veit
    2026/09/15
    Helen Zoe Veit is a professor of history at Michigan State University and also an author and editor. Her latest books are titled Picky: How American Children Became the Fussiest Eaters in History and Modern Food, Moral Food: Self-Control, Science, and the Rise of Modern American Eating in the Early Twentieth Century.Greg and Helen discuss changes in American eating habits during the 20th century. Helen explains that food history became a viable academic field largely in the last 25 years, and describes early-20th-century shifts toward government regulation, nutrition science, calories, home economics, and factory food, which encouraged Americans to distrust appetite and pleasure while fueling diet culture and moralized views of weight.Their conversation traces how children’s “natural” pickiness was culturally constructed through things like Clara Davis’s studies, rising processed foods and instant alternatives, advice from Dr. Spock, and marketing power via supermarkets and the media. They discuss diluted “foreign” foods, faddists like Fletcher, the decline of Home Ec classes, and how history could inform a more balanced, pleasurable relationship to food.*unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:When did picky eating become a “thing”?14:56: You know, another thing I thought about a lot was that there are all sorts of things our kids are initially reluctant or fearful about today. My kids didn't want to put on pants for a while. They didn't want to wear snow boots in the snow. They didn't want to go to school or brush their teeth or put on sunblock or wear seat belts or car seats. But I just had this enormous cultural confidence. Of course they can get used to it because I see everybody else doing it, and I didn't hesitate to just, you know, insist that they do it in a way that the structure of daily life used to just insist children eat this kind of food, and they were getting used to it in such large numbers and so quickly that people didn't see it as a thing. So that really became the book. Like, how did we start to see this as a thing and to think it had this really unique psychological significance? And, you know, the answers are really complicated. And a lot of it happened in the 20th century.Why is our relationship with food so complicated?34:20: Americans have a very uneasy relationship to pleasure of food, as like we're really hedonistic in a lot of ways. We consume a lot of junk food, this high-calorie, high-sugar delicious food, and we're like, ‘You can't tell me not to eat this.’ It's a big part of American culture, but it's not deeply pleasurable in some ways, right? The pleasure of eating with other people, the pleasure of feeling good about what we've eaten, and how it affects our bodies. We often have pleasure in a very narrow way today.How supermarkets changed what kids eat25:12: Grocers as, you know, and general stores which preceded them, these were adult interactions. This was more or less designed to be one adult talking to another, with a list in hand. Kids were particularly invited into this conversation. But by the time modern grocery stores, which start really in the '20s, maybe 30s, start popping up in American towns and cities, and by the '50s we get supermarkets, really much larger stores with the big carts. That's a totally different model. Self-service leads immediately to just an explosion of impulse buying. In fact, the term was coined in the 1940s to describe what was going on in supermarkets, and it also led to an explosion of children's power over family food purchases in a way they hadn't before. Marketers keenly are aware of this.Show Links:Recommended Resources:Fernand BraudelJacques PépinSidney MintzAnnales SchoolClara M. Davis and the wisdom of letting children choose their own dietsNeophobiaBenjamin SpockSigmund FreudHorace FletcherJohn Harvey KelloggEuthenicsDarwinismHome EconomicsGuest Profile:Personal WebsiteFaculty Profile at Michigan State UniversityGuest Work:Amazon Author PagePicky: How American Children Became the Fussiest Eaters in HistoryModern Food, Moral Food: Self-Control, Science, and the Rise of Modern American Eating in the Early Twentieth CenturyFood in the Civil War Era: The SouthFood in the Civil War Era: The NorthFood in the American Gilded AgeIf you enjoyed this show, here are some other unSILOed episodes you may like:236: James Hamblin - Cleanliness, Purity, Health and Culture454: Paula S. Fass - American Childhood From the Frontier to Helicopter Parenting Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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    47 分
  • 683. A Woman’s Economic Toolkit for a Happier Life with Corinne Low
    2026/09/11
    Is it true that divorced moms actually do less housework than married moms? Is there an optimal time for women to pause their careers to start a family? How can you tell by the third date whether or not your relationship is a good deal? Dr. Corinne Low is a professor of public policy and economics at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania. Her book, Having It All: What Data Tells Us About Women's Lives and Getting the Most Out of Yours, provides a roadmap for optimizing your resources and maximizing your satisfaction in life, whether it be with your career or your family. Corinne and Greg discuss the problems modern women face in the workplace and at home, the economic tools women can apply to make the most out of what they’ve got, and the importance of strategically picking a romantic partner. They also unpack the million dollar question with profound social implications: Why are women still expected to do the majority of the housework? *unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:Women can earn more and still do more housework28:00: In my data, I will see couples, and we focused on couples who are hourly workers 'cause otherwise people would say, "Well, men just have jobs that are more inflexible, and women have these more flexible jobs, so that's why women end up doing more of the housework." But if we zoom in on couples where they're both hourly workers, and I could go to a couple where she is earning four times what he earns per hour, okay? And she does more than twice as much housework, and he works more hours than she does, and she works fewer hours. So that couple, if he would take on some of the domestic load and she could, in the modal couple here, she's like a healthcare worker, so if she could pick up a shift as a nurse, the couple would be richer. It would loosen their economic constraints. What is stopping them? And yes, I have to think it's these deeply ingrained gender norms about what roles do we learn in our natal households? How do we feel like we're contributing?Optimize for the life you actually want03:57: We're all facing scarcity. But if you figure out what your utility function is and you figure out what constraints you're facing, you can solve for a life that meets your needs, fulfills you, enriches you, and provides you all sorts of amazing opportunities. But that does sometimes mean being selective and not trying to go for the maximum of everything everywhere all at once.Is there a perfect time to have a child?41:30: Having a child is such an important life decision and is going to be, ultimately, such a larger source of utility than your career for people who do choose to become parents, that you should do that when works for your family, right? I think you should be strategic about all the infrastructure you build around when you do that, but I don't think that you should try to be perfectly strategic about when you do it.Show Links:Recommended Resources:Daniel Kahneman Richard Thaler Cass Sunstein Claudia GoldinLeave It to Beaver “Degrees are Forever: Marriage, Educational Investment, and Lifecycle Labor Decisions of Men and Women” by Mary Ann Bronson “The Power of the Pill: Oral Contraceptives and Women’s Career and Marriage Decisions” by Claudia Goldin and Lawrence F. KatzLena Edlund Guest Profile:Faculty Profile at University of Pennsylvania Professional WebsiteProfile on LinkedInProfile on InstagramGuest Work:Having It All: What Data Tells Us About Women's Lives and Getting the Most Out of Yours If you enjoyed this show, here are some other unSILOed episodes you may like:Understanding the Gender Wage Gap feat. Claudia GoldinBalancing Personal Life and Career Decision Making with Myra Strober and Abby Davisson Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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    52 分
  • 682. Exploring Complexity: From Physics to Economics with J. Doyne Farmer
    2026/09/08
    J. Doyne Farmer is a Professor of Complex Systems Science at Oxford University, Hedge-Fund Founder, and author of the new book, Making Sense of Chaos: A Better Economics for a Better World. Greg and Doyne discuss why complexity science has not displaced mainstream economics. Doyne argues that economics is intellectually conservative and overly committed to closed-form math, with behavioral challenges and the 2008 crisis highlighting endogenous dynamics. He also recounts working to beat roulette using physics, his work on chaos (sensitive dependence, strange attractors), and using simulation as a core complex-systems method. When they shift to the topic of finance, he describes “market ecology,” specialists with noisy skill, and why even uninformed trades have market impact. Doyne notes bounded rationality’s rise with modern computing and data, critiques systemic regulation, and describes industry-leading simulation work, including COVID UK economic-policy modeling and energy-transition/climate models that emphasize data-driven forecasts and policy nudges.*unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:Randomness is a subjective concept08:50: As graduate students, Norman Packard and I and about 15 or 20 others, decided to predict the game of roulette, and we thought we were going to get rich by beating the game of roulette. And roulette is interesting 'cause it's, from the point of view of a casino, it's a random number generator, or at least it's supposed to be. From a physicist, it's a rolling ball on a circular track with a counter-rotating inner wheel, and that's just physics. And when we realized that 15 seconds elapsed between the time the ball's released and them closing the bets, typically, we realized we had time to gather initial data, make predictions. We bought a roulette wheel. We derived the forces acting on the ball and the wheel, built this all into a computer that we operated with our toes, and we did beat the game of roulette. We didn't really get rich, but it did make me realize that randomness is a subjective concept. To us, it wasn't random. To somebody else, it would be. And looking at things a different way could change that. What really is complexity13:34: Complex systems just means any kind of system where you have components that have emergent behavior... [14:08]. The system as a whole exhibits qualitatively different properties from its individual components.Better models can make systems perform worse29:02: When you have a system with agents who are modeling their world and acting upon the model, as the models get more sophisticated, the trying to model the whole becomes harder and harder. And, and in some circumstances, the whole system performs worse when everybody has better models because they're too busy trying to outfox the other guys. Now, the economists would say, "Oh, no, but if they're all rational, it all settles into the best solution." Yeah, but we know they aren't. So then you have to really understand the way in which the collective behavior of boundedly rational models causes overshoots and undershoots at the level of the whole economy, and the ways in which, um, what's good for an individual if everybody else is behaving simply can be not good for anybody if everybody does it.Show Links:Recommended Resources:Complex SystemSanta Fe InstituteAdam SmithFriedrich Hayek2008 Financial CrisisNorman PackardEfficient-Market HypothesisEugene FamaHerbert A. SimonWassily LeontiefGosplanSystems thinkingInternational Energy AgencyCyberneticsGuest Profile:Faculty Profile at the University of OxfordFaculty Profile at the Santa Fe InstituteDoyneFarmer.comLinkedIn ProfileWikipedia ProfileGuest Work:Amazon Author PageMaking Sense of Chaos: A Better Economics for a Better WorldGoogle Scholar PageIf you enjoyed this show, here are some other unSILOed episodes you may like:423: Geoffrey West - The Scale of Everything: Unifying the Sciences of Growth, Complexity, and Innovation571: Scott E. Page - The Power of Diverse Models in Decision Making Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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    50 分
  • 681. Dining with Purpose: Exploring Taste and Tradition with Scott Samuelson
    2026/09/03
    Scott Samuelson is a professor of philosophy at Iowa State University and the author of several books. His latest work is called To Taste: On Cooking and the Good Life.Greg asks Scott about his views on why philosophy and aesthetics have sidelined food and actual taste in favor of nutrition, consumer preference, or narrow ethics. Scott argues food, cooking, and communal meals are central to human meaning, ethics, and hospitality, and that taste is a form of wisdom joining truth, goodness, and beauty while bridging the labels of subjective, objective, and intersubjective judgment. He links taste to style through cooking as an active practice of tasting and adjusting, critiques consumer capitalism’s push toward radical aesthetic subjectivity and “food porn,” and the subject of tradition as an evolving conversation. They also connect food to education via metaphors of digestion, emphasizing initiation, attention, and the cultivation of judgment and style, and Scott defends ‘festivity’ and ‘shared meals' as two foundations for intimacy and flourishing.*unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:Is it possible to be intimate with someone that you've never eaten with?57:28 [Greg LaBlanc]: Do you think that it's possible to be intimate with someone that you've never eaten with? Is it possible to be a friend with somebody that you've never sat down and had a meal? I find it hard to imagine in a way.57:45 [Scott Samuelson] I mean, it's almost impossible to imagine having deep connections, intimate connections with family members, with friends, with a lover that doesn't involve sharing a food and drink on a pretty regular basis, actually. And it's not simply that, "Oh, well, you need to eat," and whatever. It's that, that becomes a scene in which, the intimacy plays out, sometimes at its most fundamental level. The family dinner conversations, or the drinks with the friend or the great meal with your lover or whatever, those are things that are fundamental to what it is.We’re not just consumers of food20:01: We've thought about things as we thought about ourselves as consumers, and I want us to think of ourselves not just as consumers, but as cooks, not just as eaters, but as makers of food. And that to me is a better lens for thinking about a good life.Taste is meeting of the subjective and objective09:50: The beauty of taste is that it is precisely the meeting of the subjective and the object. It's putting an object into my subjective mouth, and it's the meeting of those two things. So there's an objective component, there's a subjective component, and there's an intersubjective component as well that one can't really develop one's taste independent of a community, I think, of taste at some level. But just again, to speak fairly bluntly and straightforwardly, I just think the development of taste is just one of the best things in life.Show Links:Recommended Resources:EpistemologyXeniaAlfred North WhiteheadThe Taste of ThingsM. F. K. FisherCotton MatherBlaise PascalGuest Profile:Faculty Profile at Iowa State UniversityScottSamuelsonAuthor.comWikipedia ProfileGuest Work:Amazon Author PageTo Taste: On Cooking and the Good LifeSeven Ways of Looking at Pointless Suffering: What Philosophy Can Tell Us about the Hardest Mystery of AllRome as a Guide to the Good Life: A Philosophical Grand TourThe Deepest Human Life: An Introduction to Philosophy for EveryoneIf you enjoyed this show, here are some other unSILOed episodes you may like:604: Scott Samuelson - The Intersection of Philosophy and Suffering: From the Stoics to ModernityPaula Marantz CohenJulian Baggini48: Rob Dunn - Understanding Food Science: The Role of Evolution and Nature in our Diet Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • 680. Decoding Change Management in the Workplace with Ashley Goodall
    2026/09/01
    Ashley Goodall is a longtime consultant, Fortune 50 executive, speaker, researcher, and writer in the areas of leadership and human resources. His two books are Nine Lies About Work: A Freethinking Leader’s Guide to the Real World and The Problem with Change: And the Essential Nature of Human Performance. Greg and Ashley discuss how rapid transformation, especially with AI, often worsens work because human employees are wired for stability, ritual, predictability, and belonging. Change and improvement are not synonyms. They discuss creating “equilibrium under varying load” by making decision processes transparent, offering voice without confusing it with vote, and giving people information to improve predictions, since bad news is often preferable to no news. Ashley notes how leaders underinvest in people due to short-termism, and layoffs and constant uncertainty damage both remaining employees and health. He emphasizes building many great teams, choosing and training team leaders well, recognizing excellence publicly, making contributions legible to boost self-efficacy, and reorienting HR toward long-term human performance and organizational prosperity as administrative work is automated. *unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.* Episode Quotes: Transparency matters during change 17:35: I find the most effective sort of safety signal at work is not, "Trust me, it'll be fine," but, "Here's what we're wrestling with." I think you can substitute transparency into what factors leaders are juggling for a promise that it'll all turn out well. I think the challenge with lots and lots of organizational leadership is leaders feel they can't say what's going on. And in the absence of an understanding of what's going on, employees are like, "Listen, I don't trust the beautifully wordsmithed stuff that your communications people write for you to say to me, and that seems to be intended to avoid lawsuits, not intended to help me understand the world.” Why people struggle with change 04:04: Whether we like it or not, change makes life difficult for people. We are wired as a species in a way that appreciates stability, appreciates knowing where we are, appreciates knowing where things are going. The complicated reality of AI at work 02:49: Now we're talking to one another in a world where digital transformation is, you from our current attention span, about eighty-nine percent AI. That's what's transforming stuff. And the experience of AI in the workplace is deeply complicated. I don't see workers, employees rushing around going, "This stuff is fabulous. Give us more of it." The sentiment is, "I'm burned out. I've got to manage all these agents all the time. I didn't sign up to be a manager. I don't know whether this stuff is any good. My company is forcing me to use it irrespective of whether I think I should use it." So, the on-the-ground experience of these tools is decidedly mixed. Show Links: Recommended Resources: The Death and Life of Great American CitiesChange ManagementCentrifugal GovernorWatt Steam EnginePeter CappelliMaslow's Hierarchy of NeedsWho Moved My Cheese?Whitehall StudyDeloitte Guest Profile: AshleyGoodall.comLinkedIn ProfileSocial Profile on Instagram Guest Work: Amazon Author PageNine Lies About Work: A Freethinking Leader’s Guide to the Real WorldThe Problem with Change: And the Essential Nature of Human Performance If you enjoyed this show, here are some other unSILOed episodes you may like: 597: Donald C. Kieffer - Transforming Work Culture: From Firefighting to Strategic Flow337: Simon Johnson - Navigating the Waves of Technology and Prosperity Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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    52 分
  • 679. Happy Spending and Joyful Climate Action with Elizabeth Dunn
    2026/08/27
    Elizabeth Dunn is a professor of psychology at the University of British Columbia, and director of their Happiness Lab. She’s also the co-author of two books, Leave the Lights On: How Joyful Decisions Can Save Our Species and Happy Money: The Science of Happier Spending. Greg and Elizabeth discuss how her work links common errors in forecasting happiness with misunderstandings about carbon impact. Elizabeth argues that experiences generally bring more lasting joy than material goods do because of comparison and hedonic adaptation. However, savoring and creating scarcity can renew enjoyment. She shares experiments showing people become happier when spending money on others, with studies where participants were given cash and a TED-backed $10,000 project where other-focused spending and charitable donations produced the greatest happiness. On climate, Elizabeth says guilt and fear exhaust people, and a better plan would be “more math, less moralizing,” focusing on high-impact actions like commuting choices, housing size and location relative to work, and travel decisions (nonstop flights, carry-on). She also debunks myths about straws and individual AI use, highlights contagious positive behaviors like solar adoption, defends having children, and emphasizes voting and civic action as key ways to make a difference alongside individual change. And for curious car fans, Greg’s college and current car is a 1983 Mercedes 240d, which is described as a legendary, over-engineered diesel sedan built on the indestructible W123 platform. *unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.* Episode Quotes: Why time is more valuable than money 37:27: People who prioritize time over money end up happier than people who prioritize money over time. So, for example, we followed students who were graduating from the University of British Columbia. We measured whether they tended to prioritize time or tended to prioritize money, and what we discovered was that students who reported prioritizing time at the end of their university career ended up happier one to two years after graduating, and that was because they chose to engage in more intrinsically enjoyable activities, like choosing a graduate school or a job that they found intrinsically enjoyable and motivating. And I would just say on sort of the climate side of things, for many people who care about climate change, being able to take a job that enables them to contribute on this topic is something that could be really valuable. How climate action can make us happier 29:09: Climate change is scary, and it is something that can make people very concerned, but recognizing this threat is actually a wonderful opportunity to change our lives in ways that can actually make us happier. On focusing on what actually matters 30:05: Since actually doing all of this research and learning a lot more about climate change, what I've learned is that I could actually leave all the lights on in my two-bedroom condo for the rest of my life, and the carbon emissions would be equivalent to eating 13 hamburgers... And so some of the things that people are kind of wagging their fingers about don't really matter, and there are all these other actions that really do matter that are quite impactful and can actually make us feel good. And, in fact, we don't need to shame other people into doing them. Show Links: Recommended Resources: Scarcity MindsetChris Anderson - TEDThe Deadweight Loss of ChristmasGreta ThunbergCarbon FootprintCalculate Your Carbon Footprint Guest Profile: Faculty Profile at the University of British ColumbiaProfile on WikipediaSocial Profile on X Guest Work: Amazon Author PageLeave the Lights On: How Joyful Decisions Can Save Our SpeciesHappy Money: The Science of Happier Spending If you enjoyed this show, here are some other unSILOed episodes you may like: 442: Michael Norton - Enhancing Community and Connection with RitualsSonja Lyubomirsky Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • 678. Exploring Exponential Organizations with Salim Ismail
    2026/08/24
    Salim Ismail is a co-founder & partner at Exponential Venture Capital, founder of OpenExO, founding Executive Director at Singularity University, and an author. His latest work is, Exponential Organizations: Why new organizations are ten times better, faster, and cheaper than yours (and what to do about it). Greg and Salim discuss Salim’s shift from focusing on exponential technologies to organizational design as the main bottleneck to organizations adopting disruption. He traces the idea to his experience leading innovation at Yahoo, where disruptive ideas were rejected by a corporate “immune system,” and to building Singularity University with a tiny team, which led him to study fast-scaling unicorns and develop the Exponential Organizations (ExO) model. They also talk about how legacy firms optimize for predictability and efficiency, making them hostile to disruption, and why change must often happen at the edge via spin-outs (e.g., Nespresso, Google X, Apple teams). Salim argues that AI agents will replace much middle management coordination (60–80% in 5–7 years), making judgment and accountability scarce, reshaping universities and expertise, and accelerating permissionless, low-cost innovation and startups. *unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.* Episode Quotes: Is the end of middle management coming? 30:59: Middle management does two things: it takes decisions from above and cascades them down, and it takes information from down and feeds it up. Okay? It's all coordination, and AI can do all that coordination at a hundred X faster, cheaper, more accurately than a human being can do it. Erik Brynjolfsson, I think, has the best frame for it. He calls it white-collar drudgery, right? Nobody needs to be assembling sales report from five regions and then passing it up just to the chief sales officer. Nobody really wants to be doing that, but somebody's got to do it. And there's that whole human hierarchy and coordination function in Cosian thinking. AI replaces most of that, so we think middle management evaporates by about a sixty to eighty percent level over the next five to seven years. The world is driven by disruption, not efficiency 13:39: Today the world is not driven by efficiency and predictability, it is driven by disruption... Human hierarchical structure does not work in a world that's changing quickly. And as AI comes along, it breaks it completely. Innovation has to happen at the edge 19:40: You've got to spin off. That's the only thing to do it. So the only solution to this, and I've looked at the innovation process of probably, I've been in the boardroom of probably two hundred of the Fortune five hundred over the last decade. There's only one path, which is you do disruptive things at the edge away from the mothership and let that become the new gravity center. That's it. That's the only way you can make it work. Show Links: Recommended Resources: Coase TheoremManu ChandariaJohn Seely BrownValve CorporationGeoffrey HintonMoore's LawVitalik ButerinByzantine Fault Guest Profile: SalimIsmail.comLinkedIn ProfileWikipedia ProfileSocial Profile on XSingularity UniversityExponential Venture CapitalOpen ExO Guest Work: Amazon Author PageExponential Organizations: Why new organizations are ten times better, faster, and cheaper than yours (and what to do about it)Exponential Organizations 2.0: The New Playbook for 10x Growth and ImpactExponential Transformation: Evolve Your Organization (and Change the World)Massive Transformative Purpose — The Heartbeat of Every ExO - Medium Post If you enjoyed this show, here are some other unSILOed episodes you may like: Sangeet Paul ChoudaryJohn Hagel IIIPascal Finette Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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    56 分