Your two fave cis men talk about how to read poetry, how Hay threw a wheelchair user in a pool per his request, and Small Talk might actually be Big Talk, how we thought we’d have a YouTube up by now, how we’ll do K for Patreon, how we keep leaning too far back on our background fabric and almost tearing it down.

Let’s be honest, we had Camirin Farmer (God Vessel, Netflix) on the pod this week so we talked a lot about space and time and the STARS. The amount of times Sammy and Hay got the chills, it’s a lot! We also talk about Cam’s start in comedy in Baltimore, Charli XCX, top surgery. We’re just such fans of Cam’s and if you don’t know them you will be too after this episode.

Buy a chart reading from them and support their GoFundMe for their Gender Affirming Care and Recovery costs: https://gofund.me/66b1c0c3

We also had a few technical difficulties this episode. Don’t yell at us, we're nonbinary (angel emoji. Can we actually put in an angel emoji here?)

You can find Camirin on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/camirinfarmer/

Hay is writing this description to say they were kinda sick that day - so if this one has less screaming energy, you understand. However what we DO have this week is Sammy’s birthday in the Chicago rain, a 2-years late review of the movie Bros, the cultural value of talking shit, Sammy forgetting a guy they fuct, and somehow even more details on Lake Dick. We FINALLY get into the The Great Civil War of the Podcast (Taylor Alison Swift).