PSA: Rebecca took a Lorazepam before the show. Then, we all found out about frolfing (it doesn't mean what you think it means! we swear!). Here we go.

Adult friendships are hard. You know, like how the hell do you even make friends as an adult in the first place? Where do you find these people? And how do you keep up with each other?

From awkward social encounters to long-time internet friends, we cover all the different "friend tiers" (spoiler alert: there's a lot). We also share a lot of our own personal stories, including Jamie's Fight Club friend, Rebecca's hatred of anyone named Todd, and even the knock out, drag out fight we had with each other.

And don't worry, Burnouts—our episode on enemies is TBA.

Mentioned in this episode:

• Our Listen Notes interview
• That Chapter Podcast (Love you too, Mike.)
• That Chapter insurance dance
• Child snatcher scene from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

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Narrator: And now it's time for Silly Songs with Larry, the part of the show where Larry comes out and sings a silly song.

To get hyped for the show this week, we watched everyone's favorite Christian vegetables (Veggie Tales). It turns out Silly Songs With Larry was the only good thing we can recall from our religious upbringings, but let’s get into it anyway.

We delve into our personal experiences with religious trauma and how it affected everything from our relationships to our sexual and mental health. We talk about therapy, deconstructing beliefs, and the ongoing healing process. Jamie shares stories from her many years in private Christian school (including what happened when she wrote a kind of rebellious paper for Theology class). Rebecca recalls the insane moment from Jesus camp where they were told religion was outlawed as a “test of faith” in the middle of the night (wtf?). We also discuss how many religions and religious teachings are all too similar to abusive relationships and we wonder what Jesus would really do about all of this insanity if he were living in the world today.

So put on your best Sunday clothes—but don’t forget the modesty cardigan! It’ll be fun(damental). We promise?

Mentioned in this episode:

• Veggie Tales (TV series)
• “Song of the CEBU” by Larry the Cucumber
• ”Towing Jehovah” by James Morrow (book mentioned by Jamie)
• The “Ark Encounter“ in Kentucky

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Hey, everyone! We’re back. And it’s just the two of us this week which we haven’t done in a while. We decided to talk about all things cozy, comfy, and coping—and we all know Rebecca is all about the warm and fuzzies.

Jamie starts by talking about her visit to Super Nintendo World over the weekend and how magical it was to see her childhood come to life. Then, we dive in to our go-to comforts.

From our favorite nostalgic TV shows and movies like “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” to our top comfort foods like mac and cheese, PB&Js, and even the classic childhood favorite, Captain Crunch. We also talk about our favorite cozy video games like Stardew Valley and Animal Crossing and own up to our undying love for true crime documentaries. (Why are stories about murder so oddly comforting? We get into the psychology of that, too.)

It’s a laid-back, feel-good episode that feels like hanging out with your slightly unhinged, but always funny older sisters. So, grab your favorite comfort snack (and throw blanket) and settle in.

“Wait. Did we just do a whole episode where all we did was list things we like?”

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"Are You Tired of Being Paid Less Than You're Worth?" or How Rachel Ended Up an Electrician Apprentice

This week, we're joined by Rachel Cannon, Rebecca's sister, who has had one heck of a career journey. She graduated during a recession, worked as a bicycle tour guide, switched majors, and picked up plenty of peculiar internships—like putting snails in jars at the Smithsonian. Rachel eventually found her calling in the trades as an electrician apprentice.

We chat about how unpaid internships only benefit the rich, how kids shouldn't be able to take out thousands of dollars in loans for college, and how it took many burly men 45 minutes to pull Rachel out from under a barn that collapsed on her once.

Rachel also gives us a crash course in unions and labor rights, the benefits of union work, and how freakin' awesome it is to have transparency and fair wages. Despite often being the only woman on the job site, she emphasizes practical boundaries and enjoys the mental health benefits of a physically active job.

Unions are like condoms. If someone tells you you don't need one, you probably do.

You can find Rachel on:

Bluesky: @rachelthecannon

Mentioned in this episode:

• IBEW local 280 - International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW)

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This week our guest is Robin Saks Frankel who Jamie worked with at her last job. After Jamie gushes over Robin's no-nonsense communication style and mentorship, we explore the themes of empowerment, especially among women, in the workplace. We talk about the importance of asking questions at work, even when it feels intimidating, and how Robin challenged the norm by always speaking up. Jamie outs herself as the office chatterbox who is always trying to convince others to ask questions, Rebecca reveals her not-so-hidden disdain for forced corporate coffee dates, and Robin shares her journey into creating video content for social media.

Amidst discussions of imposter syndrome and creative burnout, we all emphasize the importance of speaking up, empowering others and your community, and continually learning.

You can find Robin on:

Instagram: @robinsaks
TikTok: @robinsaks

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This week, we welcome guest Madeline Shores. She basically said "eff this" and quit her full-time job of 10 years to focus on herself (because surprise! she was burnt out af). So on her 1-Year Anniversary of Being Jobless, she shares the surprising realities of living without a full-time corporate gig, as well as the financial and emotional aspects of her transition.

Madeline also lays out the true cost of having a job to begin with and all the ways corporate life sucks your soul right out. But pay close attention to this episode because this girl has the kind of boundary-setting skills you'll want to bottle up and keep for yourself.

You can find Madeline on:

Instagram: @madelinesho
TikTok: @madelinesh0

Mentioned in this episode:

• Documentary Madeline mentions: Scamanda podcast
• Concert Madeline was going to: Joy Oladokun
• Stress tracker (and fitness band) Madeline uses: WHOOP

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Well, Rebecca took a pain killer right before the show (that's where we're at). But this week, we're talking about dealing with chronic illnesses, both mental and physical, especially in the workplace. We discuss the struggle of working through pain in high-stress job hellscapes because we're sometimes afraid to take time off.

We also talk about the invisible illnesses others don't see and how it sucks to feel judged or second-guessed by others in your life when you're ill (managers, parents...even friends).

Plus, we've been dissociating with the new Hello Kitty game, and let us tell you: even the Sanrio Hello Kitties are burnt out on their pretend island (editor's note: Retsuko is, in fact, a red panda).

If you take anything away from this episode, let it be the reminder that you come first. Take that vacation. Pick up the paint brush. Take a mental health day. Set that boundary.

Mentioned in this episode:

• Hello Kitty Island Adventure game for Nintendo Switch
• 2022 work stress study: "Work stress and loss of years lived without chronic disease: an 18-year follow-up of 1.5 million employees in Denmark"
• The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) article on the early warning signs of job stress

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TW: Please note that this episode contains some brief talk of eating disorders, as well as mentions of fatphobia and body shaming. If you're sensitive to these topics, we suggest skipping through minutes 25 to 38.

Get ready to talk food burnout with us in Episode 12. We discuss pandemic grocery woes, meal prep/planning exhaustion, dietary restrictions, and eating on hard mode when our health or the meds we take affect our appetite.

Rebecca discusses why Imperfect Foods was a game changer for her. Meanwhile, Jamie defends the virtue of peanut butter, mustard, and pickle sandwiches while Rebecca looks on in horror. We also reminisce about 90s snacks—remember green ketchup and kudos bars?—and chat about food hacks like the magic of air fryers, drinking smoothies as a less painful way to get nutrients, and why frozen fruits and veggies are the real heroes.

Whether you struggle with having to plan meals for your family or you're struggling to feed yourself, just remember that food is morally neutral.

Surprisingly, we're still waiting on our Uncrustables sponsorship. But what do you think, listeners? Should we create our own Burnout Cookbook?

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