On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene speaks with Spencer Hilligoss, CEO and co-founder of Madison Investing, about his journey from growing up in a real estate brokerage household to becoming a thoughtful passive investor and investing club leader. Spencer shares how a long career in Silicon Valley tech shaped his approach to risk, cash flow, and long-term financial planning, and why real estate became a critical tool for building stability beyond W-2 income.

The conversation explores Spencer's transition from owning rental properties to focusing on limited partner investing, including how capacity, family priorities, and operational realities influenced that shift. Spencer breaks down how he evaluates sponsors, why track record and communication matter more than flashy projections, and what recent market cycles have reinforced about conservative underwriting and disciplined deal selection.

Listeners will gain clarity on when passive investing makes sense, how to think about risk and accountability as an LP, and why education and mindset—not deal hype—are the foundation of long-term success.

In this episode, you will hear:

• How growing up in a brokerage family influenced Spencer's investing mindset

• Why W-2 income alone isn't enough for long-term financial resilience

• The transition from owning rentals to passive LP investing

• How to evaluate sponsors, track record, and deal structure

• Why "passive" investing still requires active due diligence

• Lessons learned from recent market shifts and recalibrated return expectations

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Connect with Spencer

Website: http://www.madisoninvesting.com/

Website: http://www.spencerhilligoss.com/

Twitter: https://x.com/SpenceHilligoss

LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/shilligoss/

Connect with Jonathan:

Website - www.streamlined.properties

YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos

Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene

Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties

Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j

Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene

Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties

Email - info@streamlined.properties

This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene sits down with Brian Tran, founding partner of 50 Hills, host of the Winners Club podcast, and a real estate investor with over 100 flips and a multimillion-dollar portfolio. Brian shares how his family's immigration story shaped his commitment to real estate, the early mistakes he learned from buying in tough neighborhoods, and how those lessons guided his long-term investing strategy.

Brian breaks down how he balances appreciation markets like California with cash-flow markets out of state, treating his portfolio the way a financial advisor would diversify assets. He also dives into the role of wholesaling and flipping as active income engines, the importance of delaying gratification, and why mindset—not capital—is the biggest barrier for new investors.

Listeners will hear practical guidance on getting started in real estate without shortcuts, why buying your first property matters more than perfect timing, and how treating real estate like a real business creates long-term freedom and stability.

In this episode, you will hear:

• How Brian's parents' immigration journey influenced his approach to real estate

• Why buying in rough neighborhoods taught hard but valuable lessons

• How to balance appreciation and cash flow across different markets

• The role of wholesaling and flipping in building investable capital

• Why mindset and focus matter more than chasing quick wins

• How buying your first property creates long-term momentum

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Connect with Brian

Website: http://mrbriantran.com/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Mr.BrianTran

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mrbriantran?lang=en

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mr.briantran/

Connect with Jonathan:

Website - www.streamlined.properties

YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos

Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene

Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties

Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j

Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene

Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties

Email - info@streamlined.properties

This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

Jonathan Greene welcomes back Katie Cline, a senior global PR and communications leader turned hospitality and short-term rental expert, to explore her evolving philosophy behind Second Home First. Katie shares the personal story that led her to buy a vacation home before a primary residence—and how that unconventional decision unlocked both financial flexibility and deeper family experiences.

They discuss why renting in high-cost cities can coexist with smart real estate investing, how short-term rentals can function like a hybrid between lifestyle asset and retirement strategy, and why mindset—not money—is often the biggest barrier holding people back. Katie also explains how designing properties around personal preferences creates stronger guest experiences, better reviews, and more resilient performance across markets.

The key takeaway: real estate doesn't have to follow a single, traditional path. By aligning investments with lifestyle goals, hospitality values, and intentional design, investors can build assets that generate income today while still creating meaningful memories along the way.

• What "Second Home First" really means—and why it challenges the traditional homeownership timeline

• How short-term rentals can provide both lifestyle benefits and long-term financial security

• Why renting a primary home can offer flexibility while still building wealth through real estate

• The importance of designing properties around your own preferences and ideal guest avatar

• How hospitality mindset and intentional design drive better bookings and guest experiences

• Why breaking from conventional investing narratives can open up more creative opportunities

If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth.

Connect with Katie:

Website: http://buyyoursecondhomefirst.com/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@SecondHomeFirst

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/buyyoursecondhomefirst/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-home-first/

Episode 216: https://zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com/podcast/216/

Connect with Jonathan:

Website - www.streamlined.properties

YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos

Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene

Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties

Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j

Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene

Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties

Email - info@streamlined.properties

This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.